another dead horse...

[sandymc]

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Guy,

 

Both processors will most likely be to some extent dependent on the other - e.g., the back panel processor needs to communicate menu setting to the Blackfin processor - so if one is out the other will "kind of" work, but likely not completely

 

Sandy

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[Guest guy_mancuso]

It does vary on what can and can't be used with menu and shutter

[Michael Jones]

All very interesting discussion on the root cause of M8 misbehaviour. The hope is that the engineers working on this project at/for Leica identify the true cause of the anomoly and eliminate it from the M8 forever.

 

I can tell you from many years of troubleshooting experience (or torture as it is sometimes known:) ), that in some cases the cause and effect of a problem can be very bizarre. I once worked on a piece of equipment that would only function in the dark! That's right, with the lights off it would not work and with the lights on it was fine. In this case, a small diode component that is available in transparent glass and opaque glass varieties was, on this particular board, incorrectly of the transparent type.

 

When the board was under cover (in the dark), the circuit did not function. When the cover was removed and exposed to normal room light, the diode made enough of its own electricity to bias the circuit into correct operation! Diodes are made the same way as solar batteries (PN Junctions) and if you take a clear one and measure it under illumination, it will produce a current in the presence of light. Just like the silicon photodiodes used in our light meters! Well, in the dark with the cover on, nothing worked and in the light, the problem went away. Now the true problem was not just the wrong diode but the fact that the circuit had another issue which made the few microvolts of power the diode created enough to alter the operation of the circuit. I relate this true story as an example of how convoluted and elusive some electronic problems can be.

 

While we have identified many areas of possible cause, the true cause may only be known to a few people in engineering at Leica. Leica may or may not wish to share the information but it would certainly be interesting to know and build confidence that there are no gremlins in the M8, just good engineering.

 

Michael

[Guest magyarman]

Blasko,

No other way to say this.....I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

 

A valuable point to all this trouble shooting is that a "professionalist fixer" could spend a very large amount of time looking for a problem that was NOT clearly explained to them. Not taking anything away from the technical folks at Leica or anywhere else. The same holds true if you bring your auto to a mechanic. If you just say "It does not work properly", the mechanic could wind up rebuilding the entire car before the problem was isolated.

 

 

You thing mabe mine Englisch is bat so I am also stupith, this you take big one mistake. People here is not supith, they can to explain very clear what is prablem. If I got M8 what needs fix up I gonna take someone make my translate to good Deutsch, oba still I gonna sent to Solms. Mancuso is fotogapher, not electronical man who got any now how is inside work it M8. Is no possibly he can to tell how is someone can to fix up his M8 what is fully broke. If you got broke M8 you mast to send to Solms, is no other possibility. Becaus, I do not understand why he expend his time, except try to make look like is no really broke.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Well that is the hope Michael that leica can identify and correct this weird behavior and just take it out and maybe they have done that with firmware only. This topic is not new either ,I have brought this up before and Sean with his user poll and such plus the other members where failure was reported here so we can only hope Leica finds the solution too it.

[peterv]

You thing mabe mine Englisch is bat so I am also stupith, this you take big one mistake. People here is not supith, they can to explain very clear what is prablem. If I got M8 what needs fix up I gonna take someone make my translate to good Deutsch, oba still I gonna sent to Solms. Mancuso is fotogapher, not electronical man who got any now how is inside work it M8. Is no possibly he can to tell how is someone can to fix up his M8 what is fully broke. If you got broke M8 you mast to send to Solms, is no other possibility. Becaus, I do not understand why he expend his time, except try to make look like is no really broke.

Blasko,

 

with all due respect, take a look at this easy to use website:

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/

 

When in doubt, I check my spelling before I post here. It just makes postings so much easier to read for everyone, and it helps to avoid misunderstandings.

 

BTW I hope one day you will enjoy the M8 as much as I do.

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

[peterv]

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One more for Blasko:

 

http://dictionaries.travlang.com/HungarianEnglish/

[LJL]

You thing mabe mine Englisch is bat so I am also stupith, this you take big one mistake. People here is not supith, they can to explain very clear what is prablem. If I got M8 what needs fix up I gonna take someone make my translate to good Deutsch, oba still I gonna sent to Solms. Mancuso is fotogapher, not electronical man who got any now how is inside work it M8. Is no possibly he can to tell how is someone can to fix up his M8 what is fully broke. If you got broke M8 you mast to send to Solms, is no other possibility. Becaus, I do not understand why he expend his time, except try to make look like is no really broke.

 

Blasko, NOBODY said you were stupid ("stupith"), so let's not pick a fight over that point, as it was never brought up by anybody but you. Clear? Also, no one is accusing anybody else of being stupid either, so again, let's try to leave that kind of wording out of our discussions. Thank you.

 

The point that many here keep trying to make and understand, is what conditions exist around the M8 when there is a problem. It is about trying to diagnose the possible causes. Nobody has said they are experts in all the workings, and many on this forum appreciate the insights of those others that do have some experience in areas that are germane to the issue. How you interpret the efforts of others is your business, and you are entitled to your opinions. However, constantly dismissing their efforts and suggestions as though they are foolish, and finding yet another way to cast dispersions and negative impressions about the M8 seems to be your main objectives in nearly every post you have made that I have taken the time to read. (No, I am NOT going to bother reading all your posts, as the first dozen or so gave me a pretty clear impression of what you were thinking about the M8, and I have yet to see you posit constructive suggestions about the problems.) If all you want to do is complain about how the M8 is such a bad camera, fine, but do expect a lot of folks to either ignore you (as I should probably be doing now), or challenge your rather constant negativity and keep trying to explain things for the benefit of others. You have made your criticisms of the M8, which you do not own, and which you say you have only tested in a shop one time, quite clear. We get it. However, those of us that do own and use the M8, as well as those who are awaiting their M8 or thinking about one, may be interested in understanding the issues, as well as possibly offering whatever expertise and experience they have to trying to troubleshoot the problems. You have made it quite clear that you are NOT one of those folks. Again, we get it.

 

I am sorry if you feel that I mocked your language or spelling skills. That was not my intention, but rather I was trying, unsuccessfully it seems, to use your words and your interpretations in the examples. You keep coming back to the same points over, and over, and over again....you do not like the M8 and you think everybody else is wasting their time trying to make it work for them, and that Leica is to blame for everything. We get it. Those opinions are not shared by me, nor probably some (many) others. Some (many) of us recognize what the M8 can do, and we are using it, and we do want to see all of the bugs and kinks removed. That is not likely to happen without our collective contributions, and that is a lot of what these discussions are about. Nobody that I have seen posting a suggestion or comment has claimed to be an expert on the design, operations and troubleshooting problems of the M8, but I can safel say that I would rather hear from those using the camera and offering THEIR impressions when something may not work as they expected. Obviously, you are not one of those contributors.

 

I apologize to others here if I have wasted time and space in this post. I will try to contain myself a bit more in the future, and stick to the topic at hand, offeriing what little I may be able to, and thanking those that continue to contribute so much value.

 

LJ