herbkell Posted February 11, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted February 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I started having freeze ups wihich initially could be fixed by removing the battery and reinstalling it. The resets became more difficult and the last two required a couple of attemps and fiddling with the on/off switch/ Â Now it has died altogether and no amount of cajoling will bring it back to life. I have tried both batteries but it now seems totally dead. Â Any suggestions/miracles/words of wisdom etc would be appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevem7 Posted February 11, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted February 11, 2007 Sorry to hear this. How long did you have it before it went dead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbkell Posted February 11, 2007 Author Share #3 Â Posted February 11, 2007 This is a Popflash replacement of my original one so I have had it since late December. I have been busy on other things so it has about 500 clicks on it, Â I am going to try taking the battery out overnight and see if that helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_big Posted February 11, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted February 11, 2007 This is bad news. Seems that all M8's are ticking time bombs, it's just a matter of time before it'll fail. I'm hoping that the 1.10 firmware update will address this problem. I'm really afraid to use mine until the update comes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted February 11, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted February 11, 2007 sorry to hear. i guess i will never sell some of my MPs and M6TTLs for extreme conditions and harsh terrains. my mechanical Ms will keep on winding & churning.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted February 11, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted February 11, 2007 Bad news indeed. And the worse thing is similar problem seems begin to surface every day. This make us wonder on the reliabilty of M8 electronics in long term. Â I believe Leica better address this problem in public to give us more assurance. Â Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted February 11, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted February 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Why do you all complain ??? Â Actually one has to count such problems in if buying a small series product which is virtually handmade piece for piece and for sure does not hreach the quality check/criteria which can be expected at least from high en C or N models.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicaM8freak Posted February 11, 2007 Share #8  Posted February 11, 2007 Why do you all complain ??? Actually one has to count such problems in if buying a small series product which is virtually handmade piece for piece and for sure does not hreach the quality check/criteria which can be expected at least from high en C or N models....  I thought Leica was topnotch as far as QC was concerned? Do you allow me to quote Lieca in regard to this?  From their M brochure...in German page 21( translation below)  "Und die kompomisslosen Qualitatskriterien des M-systems gelten unverandert auch fur die M8"  "And the quality criteria we know from the M-system which are without any compromise, are the same for the M8"  Well don't we all know better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted February 11, 2007 Share #9  Posted February 11, 2007 Why do you all complain ??? Actually one has to count such problems in if buying a small series product which is virtually handmade piece for piece and for sure does not hreach the quality check/criteria which can be expected at least from high en C or N models....  Peter,  This is a relatively small community and the failure reports are constant. How comfortable do you feel about taking only an M8 on assignment or as your camera when traveling? Repairs are not especially quick either. I have one friend who bought a M8 in December. he is still waiting to receive a functioning camera. Fortunately my second one is still working. Hopefully they will identify a common culprit and be able to eliminate or greatly reduce these failures.  Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted February 11, 2007 Share #10  Posted February 11, 2007 Why do you all complain ??? Actually one has to count such problems in if buying a small series product which is virtually handmade piece for piece and for sure does not hreach the quality check/criteria which can be expected at least from high en C or N models....  ????? .... M Lenses are famous for their piece by piece hand assembly and quality control, isn't it? So as we expect from the M8.  Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted February 11, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted February 11, 2007 One should expect same quality from M8 as from the rest of the M system, BUT obviously it does not come true! Â Be honest, this needs a lot of investment in automated production process control and is totally different from mechanical QC. This is the main reason why it might not work as expected - small numbers, low experience in processes and a lot of third party pieces built into the system - this is kind of logical to fail. Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted February 11, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted February 11, 2007 The number of failure stories is disturbing---Sean, did you do a final compilation on your survey? Â Many small companies make reliable complex electronics---the M8 can be reliable. The M8 clearly has firmware issues that may be at the root of some of the failures. Others reek of hardware problems. Leica is motivated to solve these problems, if for no other reason than to reduce warranty service costs (not to mention surviving as a camera company). Â I hope they get this all nailed down, and that the problems are simple (they very well could be). If they fail to fix it, I hope some other camera company makes a digital M-mount camera, because when it works (as mine always has) the M8 is a great camera. Â Clyde Rogers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted February 11, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted February 11, 2007 The real question is how many M8's have been built and shipped worldwide and what % have had problems. Like most new camera releases, there are always problems, no matter how good the QC is. What % of M8 owners have not had problems, even with the initial production run? The cost of an M8 should dictate that there be no problems but this was not the case with the initial Nikon D2H and D2X. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetccox Posted February 11, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted February 11, 2007 I am afraid statistically it is not a small number. There are many people who were on this forum before they bought an m8. Their names are well known on this forum. They have all had problems with one or another of their m8 cameras. There of course are many people who come to this forum after they have had a failure, but you can see that in the number of posts they have made. From reading all of the posts as I regularly do I have to say that this camera has some major problems and it is way above what the failure rate should be. Quite a few of the problems have been mechanical in nature as well. There is no excuse for so many things going wrong - I don't care how new it is. Now, all that said, I have an M8 (since November 3rd) and have not yet had a problem with it. The serial number is 260, and it went back to Solms in the first batch to be 'upgraded'. I am not a professional photographer but I do travel around the globe frequently and I enjoy taking pictures wherever I may be. I would hate to have this camera fail as I do not wish to carry 2. I have it because of its' light weight and small size, but every day I wait for one of the many 'failures'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted February 11, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted February 11, 2007 while i don't doubt the problems many people are facing with their M8's (and believe me i do feel for you all) i think the reality of people who post about problems vs. the people who have perfectly working M8's aren't always in proportion. at least this has been my observations over the past few years on many different digital cameras on various forums on the net. i am sure there are MANY happy M8 owners out there busy shooting away, and not reporting here on the forum. Â we also do not know the full extent in which the M8--a product with MANY outsourced components is tested/quality controlled compared to previous mechanical leica products. for example maybe leica completely relies on kodak to QC the sensors, and Ansmann to QC the batteries etc....... this would certainly help speed production of M8's, but not necessarily give QC assurances to the same degree leicaphiles are used to. Â just a though.... Â Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted February 11, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted February 11, 2007 Sean Reid started a polling thread a few weeks back requesting feedback from M8 owners about specific problems. Sean, if you're reading this, perhaps you can let us know what the results are to this point? Â My M8, with a low serial number that's probably from the original batch and sent back to Solms for the fix before it was sold, continues to operate flawlessly since I bought it in late December. Despite my good luck, I think there are a disturbing number of problems reported here on an almost daily basis. However, I have confidence that Leica will sort this out and eventually produce a bulletproof camera. Â Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted February 11, 2007 Share #17  Posted February 11, 2007 Sean Reid started a polling thread a few weeks back requesting feedback from M8 owners about specific problems. Sean, if you're reading this, perhaps you can let us know what the results are to this point? My M8, with a low serial number that's probably from the original batch and sent back to Solms for the fix before it was sold, continues to operate flawlessly since I bought it in late December. Despite my good luck, I think there are a disturbing number of problems reported here on an almost daily basis. However, I have confidence that Leica will sort this out and eventually produce a bulletproof camera.  Larry  Hi Larry,  I'm hustling to get the various lens reviews done right now because the Zeiss and Leica lenses need to get back to those companies for PMA. Right now, I'm working pretty intensively on the 50 mm lens review (new term "red drift" - details at 11). As soon as I have time to double check my results for that survey, I'll publish them here as well as on RR (since the poll was done here). Time is the issue. I pop in here now and again for a break but I'm a hamster on the wheel right now.  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted February 11, 2007 Share #18 Â Posted February 11, 2007 Sean, Â Thanks -- I can certainly relate to the hamster-in-a-wheel analogy and look forward to reading your results. Â Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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