ptomsu Posted February 11, 2007 Share #41 Posted February 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe we should ask money for our IPR, then it would be worth something and they would get interested :-)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 11, 2007 Posted February 11, 2007 Hi ptomsu, Take a look here DMR History? Let's Design the R-10 !!!!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Riley Posted February 11, 2007 Share #42 Posted February 11, 2007 so how do you actually get leica to look and listen to this thread..... GREAT ideas and GREAT visuals. rich they were listening all along some of us get up in the morning and make sure there arnt 2 guys in a black Mercedes parked out front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjs Posted February 11, 2007 Share #43 Posted February 11, 2007 Marc, I like your design alot and many of the suggestions here, a fun, productive and positive thread. My thoughts - market the camera as the new photojournalist's/nature photographer's field tool, able to handle the toughest situations. A few ideas, not in any particular order: 1. 8.5 micron pixel 2. 24x36 mm frame 3. 12 million pixels 4. 16 bit a/d, no AA filter, 16GB buffer/storage, Wi/Fi b-g-n, Bluetooth 5. Electronics and firmware by Panasonic to Leica's spec's, proprietary RAW format as well as DNG in camera 6. Body by Leica in Germany, lightweight black-anodized aluminum-alloy with customizable grips 7. Weather-sealed, gasketed mount 8. Three Top-camera controls: ISO/shutter-speed, WB/Mode, shutter-release/EV comp. Also red-LED display for info. I like your auto-ISO button and exposure comp. lever, BTW. Info displayed in VF. 9. SD/CF slot 10. Integration with possible future AF/OIS lenses jointly developed with Panasonic 11. 3" rear LCD with removable protective cover 12. Manual-mirror-lock up and shutter-open lock, multiple-exposures, and HDR merge exposure functions in bracketing 13. Include 2 batteries and 12-V car adapter charger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 11, 2007 Author Share #44 Posted February 11, 2007 Hey !!!! There IS a black Mercedes with deeply tinted windows parked across the street : -0 No, wait ... couldn't be in reaction to this thread. It's to soon for the turtle reflexes of Leica. Must be here about the thread blowing the whistle on the M8 IR issue last December : -) No problem, I have filters that let me see through those tinted windows. They'll think the red dots on their foreheads are from a laser site .... LOL : -) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted February 11, 2007 Share #45 Posted February 11, 2007 Hey !!!! There IS a black Mercedes with deeply tinted windows parked across the street : -0 No, wait ... couldn't be in reaction to this thread. It's to soon for the turtle reflexes of Leica. Must be here about the thread blowing the whistle on the M8 IR issue last December : -) No problem, I have filters that let me see through those tinted windows. They'll think the red dots on their foreheads are from a laser site .... LOL : -) I would like it known that I have never seen this man before in my life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted February 11, 2007 Share #46 Posted February 11, 2007 Leica has collaborated with Imacon and Jenoptik, European companies. They are reluctant to work with Panasonic in professional Leica products, and I cannot understand why. Panasonic can provide custom-made processors (Venus Engine), motherboards, electronic components and internal software. They are very good doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted February 11, 2007 Share #47 Posted February 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe because Imacon and Jenoptik have experience with MF back and getting the best out of a CCD, something Panasonic has not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted February 11, 2007 Share #48 Posted February 11, 2007 SL-quality viewfinder (magnification, contrast, brightness) 16 MP full-frame sensor size & weight of R8/9 w/o motor drive or DMR OFF switch for the focus confirmation thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 11, 2007 Share #49 Posted February 11, 2007 Does anybody know why leica has never made a 45 degree split screen? or was there one I'm not aware of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 11, 2007 Share #50 Posted February 11, 2007 Maybe because Imacon and Jenoptik have experience with MF back and getting the best out of a CCD, something Panasonic has not. This might be more of an image thing than a matter of technical expertise. With a DNG-based workflow, the “getting the best out of a CCD” part is mostly the task of the raw converter, and when it comes to in-camera processing and JPEG compression, Panasonic’s experience in that area is vastly superior to both Imacon’s or Jenoptik’s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted February 11, 2007 Share #51 Posted February 11, 2007 Michael I can appreciate your comments about Panasonic, I particularly like the colours their chips render, but I hope the Venus III engine is to be avoided Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 11, 2007 Share #52 Posted February 11, 2007 I've worked on several big projects involving subcontractors from both Germany and Japan more than a decade ago ... I actually have lived in these two countries for quite some time. The Japanese companies are used to be ultra conservative in terms of knowledge transfer - to anybody. In this particular case, I'd assume that Panasonic is only interested in using Leica's trademark to boost the sales of their digital cameras, Leica can hardly gain anything useful in terms of technology ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 11, 2007 Share #53 Posted February 11, 2007 but I hope the Venus III engine is to be avoided At least its noise suppression should be turned off. But their demosaicing algorithm and indeed the colour rendition is quite good. AWB would improve as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted February 11, 2007 Share #54 Posted February 11, 2007 I too, want a big, bright, high-mag finder with plain matte screen w/ optional gridlines, maybe histogram, and not a lot else: Think reduced visual clutter. Even if the new camera is 1.3x, a full-frame viewing area would be nice: Just like the extra space around the M camera framelines, it's a compositional aid. Switchable between Mass Storage and PTP USB modes. So if you're traveling and misplace your card reader, you will have an alternative means of moving data around. Second USB port for direct backups to hard drive or iPod, 1GB/minute transfers. ~5K USD or less and ~700 grams Cheap commodity-type batteries (but I know, proprietary batteries are moneymakers) Choice of 3 finishes: Black Chrome Optical Camouflage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusque Posted February 11, 2007 Share #55 Posted February 11, 2007 SL-quality viewfinder (magnification, contrast, brightness) 16 MP full-frame sensor size & weight of R8/9 w/o motor drive or DMR OFF switch for the focus confirmation thing Totally agree with Doug. The only thing I'd like to add is Image Stabilization. On the sensor, not on the lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 11, 2007 Author Share #56 Posted February 11, 2007 Totally agree with Doug. The only thing I'd like to add is Image Stabilization. On the sensor, not on the lenses. I may be mistaken, but I don't think that's possible with a full frame sensor yet. If it were, it may add unacceptable size penalty to a ff camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSaperstein Posted February 11, 2007 Share #57 Posted February 11, 2007 And please let the R10 shoot tethered with Capture One. --Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted February 11, 2007 Share #58 Posted February 11, 2007 I've worked on several big projects involving subcontractors from both Germany and Japan more than a decade ago ... I actually have lived in these two countries for quite some time. The Japanese companies are used to be ultra conservative in terms of knowledge transfer - to anybody. In this particular case, I'd assume that Panasonic is only interested in using Leica's trademark to boost the sales of their digital cameras, Leica can hardly gain anything useful in terms of technology ... That is very, very interesting. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 12, 2007 Share #59 Posted February 12, 2007 Push it to MF as close as possable, save me thousands or tens of thousands. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted February 12, 2007 Share #60 Posted February 12, 2007 Push it to MF as close as possable, save me thousands or tens of thousands. LOL Agree! And I want the concepts of focus confirmation and WB sensors as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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