sharookh Posted February 9, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'd be interested to know if there is a significant difference in tone and contrast between a B/W image straight out of the camera and one which has been post-processed. Is quality "acceptable" or "superlative"?? Â Best Sharookh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 9, 2007 Posted February 9, 2007 Hi sharookh, Take a look here M8 - B/W out of the camera. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
kepstein Posted February 9, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted February 9, 2007 How do you set B/W out of the camera? Â Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstotler Posted February 9, 2007 Share #3  Posted February 9, 2007 How do you set B/W out of the camera? Ken  M8: Menu --> Color Saturation --> Black + White  Presumes you have .JPEG selected instead of DNG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhoelscher Posted February 9, 2007 Share #4  Posted February 9, 2007 How do you set B/W out of the camera?  If you shoot JPEGs (or both DNG and JPEG ), then all you have to do is select B&W from the "saturation" menu that comes up with pressing the "menu" button.  DH  and BTW I really like the B&W JPEGs straight out of the camera - no IR filter required !!!! :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted February 9, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted February 9, 2007 The M8 out-of-camera black and white jpgs are very good, with fine contrast and tone. However they do the conversion, the avoid the lifeless, flat black and white of other digital cameras I've used. Leica clearly cares about the out-of-camera black and white. Â That said, I think the raw conversions can be better (at least with good conversion profiles). Filter effects can be applied during raw conversion, and the raws aren't sharpened, both allowing more control over the conversion. You also have no jpg compression potentially losing data. Â I'd say that b/w out of camera is excellent (certainly better than acceptable, but a notch below superlative---even b/w film isn't inherently superlative, some skills are required in printing). With a little PS tweeking, an out of camera b/w is certainly capable of being superlative, and (I expect) often equal to the best raw results possible. For some photos, a properly converted raw will still give visibly better quality. Â Clyde Rogers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted February 9, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Is sure would be cool if there were an option that allowed you to take a color and b/w at the same time. It certainly could be done. Perhaps version 1.20!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 9, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is sure would be cool if there were an option that allowed you to take a color and b/w at the same time. It certainly could be done. Perhaps version 1.20!!!!! Â You already can Bill. choose jpg and set it to black and white, then change to JPG fine+DNG - you get black and white jpg's, and normal dng files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wag Posted February 9, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Jono, When do you change to JPG fine? I don't have my M8 yet so I'm unfamiliar with the menu. brad wagstaff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted February 9, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted February 9, 2007 But is this with only one push of the shutter? I was talking about only taking one shot and having both files created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 9, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted February 9, 2007 But is this with only one push of the shutter? I was talking about only taking one shot and having both files created. That's what he's talking about, Bill. And the initial preview on the LCD is B&W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted February 9, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted February 9, 2007 I am at work and do not have my M8 or book with me so I cannot see what you are saying, I will study it this weekend. Sorry for acting kinda stupid, I am a newby M8'er sorta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhoelscher Posted February 9, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted February 9, 2007 I'm not any expert at all, but if you need help, I'm in town. Â DH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Sanchez Posted February 9, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted February 9, 2007 a raw (DNG) file records everything in front of your lens, including color. there are no in-camera filters to screen out noise, crappy white balance, etc. it's all there. Â if you set your camera (any high-end digital camera) to shoot DNG & jpeg/FINE, AND set your color saturation to b&w, you will have a high-resolution jpeg in black and white, AS WELL AS a color raw file. Â i've found the b/w jpegs from the M8 to be pretty darn good, but certainly not 'superlative.' if you're looking for exhibition b/w quality, desaturate your raw file, go to 'calabrate' tab (i'm talking photoshop CS2 here) and dink around with the sliders in the different color hues/tones, then go to the 'curve' tab & tweak the contrast & you'll have a much more 'superlative' image than the camera's built-in processor provides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share #14  Posted February 10, 2007 if you're looking for exhibition b/w quality, desaturate your raw file, go to 'calabrate' tab (i'm talking photoshop CS2 here) and dink around  ... or try the beta release of CS3, which has a pretty impressive black and white conversion built right into the RAW converter. It has an auto mode which does as good a job of the abovementioned "dink around" step as I can do manually, for most (not all) images I have tested. Basically it tries to tweak colours to create a wide spread of tonal ranges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjmcsu Posted February 10, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted February 10, 2007 CS3 & Lightroom have the same greyscale conversion built in & do a wonderful job. I've also recently downloaded the JFI Profiles for B & W (2 sets) to use with C1LE.I figure I might as well learn it even though I have invested alot of time & energy in PS_xx over the years, I tend to use a combinaton workflow with RAW editors & Photoshop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted February 10, 2007 Share #16  Posted February 10, 2007 Jono,When do you change to JPG fine? I don't have my M8 yet so I'm unfamiliar with the menu. brad wagstaff  Setting file format (JPEG, DNG or both) is done in the 'set' quick menu. The 'black + white' setting is in the main menu, under 'color saturation´.  The old man from the Age of Kodachrome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dspeltz Posted February 10, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted February 10, 2007 I think the DNG/JPG combination works well. The greyscale jpgs are OK, certainly for web viewing. However using channel mix in Photoshop on he DNG using monochrome and then adjusting the red/blue/green is very good. I like red==60, blue-20 and green=20 for the look of Trix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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