jankap Posted July 25, 2011 Share #21 Â Posted July 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not to start a discussion for the 10th time, but imagine the MX would have live view...... I would order one inmediately. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 Hi jankap, Take a look here Macro with the M9. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jankap Posted July 25, 2011 Share #22 Â Posted July 25, 2011 Not to start a discussion for the 10th time, but imagine the MX would have live view...... I would order one inmediately. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin59 Posted July 25, 2011 Share #23 Â Posted July 25, 2011 do you have to have the otzfo focus tube with for example summilux 50 and 75? or can i put them on the visoflex directly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin59 Posted July 25, 2011 Share #24 Â Posted July 25, 2011 do you have to have the otzfo focus tube with for example summilux 50 and 75? or can i put them on the visoflex directly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJV Posted July 26, 2011 Share #25  Posted July 26, 2011 The OTZFO focus tube is designed for the 65mm Elmar and the 90mm Elmarit head can also couple onto the OTZFO which is then mounted on the VisoFlexIII. The 16471J extension tube is used to extend these lenses for macro work. The adapter I made looks like a shortened 16471J with 32.5mm X .7mm thread on the male end and 30mm X 1mm thread on the female end.  Using the OTZFO for focusing is simply more convenient to use than a bellows on my copy rig. I like using the El-Nikkor 105 enlarging lens for copying negatives of all sizes, slides, and prints because of its flat field and excellent resolution. Imaging to an M9 makes a copy rig that is hard to beat  Now if we can get Leitz to make the menu screen invertible in the firmware, it would be even better.  Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJV Posted July 26, 2011 Share #26  Posted July 26, 2011 The adapter I made looks like a shortened 16471J with 32.5mm X .7mm thread on the male end and 30mm X 1mm thread on the female end.  Robert  I see that I typed an error. The female end threads should be 39mm, standard Leica thread. Sorry for my typing error.  Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted July 28, 2011 Share #27 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Everybody, Â The 135mm Tele-Elmar is a first rate medium telephoto usable from Infinity to 1 : 9 (1.5m) right out of the box. It is also an equally good macro lens. Â Optically unchanged since its first release in 1965 this lens has come in 3 different mechanical mounts over the years. The first 2 mounts have removable lens heads which can be used on a Visoflex II or III w/ a focussing mount or w/ a bellows. It can also be used on an SL or R reflex w/ appropriate adapters. The 3d version does not come apart for such use. Â Please see 135mm Tele-Elmar in the wiki @ the top of this page. Â For example: You can combine this separable lens head w/ a Visoflex II or III & an adapter called OTZFO = 16464. This will give you a focussing range from Infinity to 1 : 5 (98cm). Add 1 extension tube called OTRPO = 16471 to this & this will allow you to focus from 1 : 5 to 1 : 2.5 (68.2cm). Adding a 2d OTRPO = 16471 will allow you to focus from 1 : 2,5 to 1 : 1.6 (59.2cm). That is a distance of approximately 60cm from the sensor in the M9 to what is being photographed. Â You can go from Infinity to 1 : 1.4 (56cm) w/ a Bellows II on a Visoflex II or III. Â Best Regards, Â Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viooh Posted August 7, 2011 Share #28  Posted August 7, 2011 The best modern specialised, floating element "macro" lenses (e.g. the APO Macro Elmarit 100/2.8, the latest AFS Micro-Nikkor 60/2.8 and the fabled Coastal Optics 60/4) are better corrected across the range than the old 65mm Elmar. That militates against M9+Viso if sharpness and flatness of field are important.  You're right, of course. Still... I happened to find a late model Elmar 3,5/65 so cheap that I couldn't make a mistake buying it for the fun of it. So I started playing around with it, and even if I still use my modern Canon EF-S 2,8/60 macro lens on the EOS 7d, I find myself preferring the results the Elmar produces, don't ask why. My experience with it is that, stopped down a bit, there is no lack of sharpness or contrast; flatness of field is not so important for me (I have no idea if there are problems with curvature of field with the Elmar), and there is some magic in the transition of sharpness to unsharpness. I find it most astonishing that such a simple design is so good. I can also confirm from my own experience that the T-E 4/135 head is capable of producing very nice results.  Everybody seems to think that there is ever so much fuss using the Viso rig. I humbly disagree: In macro photography autoexposure and AF give wrong results most of the time, and it is almost as much fuss making a DSLR work in manual mode and getting focus and exposure right as using a Viso on the M9 instead.  The picture below was taken with the Elmar 65 (M9, Viso III). Enjoy!  Peter Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/157675-macro-with-the-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1758809'>More sharing options...
viooh Posted August 7, 2011 Share #29  Posted August 7, 2011 And here's another one. There's absolutely nothing a modern macro lens could have contributed to these pictures, as compared with the results I got with the Elmar. Be aware that, although both pictures look soft at first sight, they are actually very sharp and detailed in the middle. The rest of the frame is out of focus, giving a somewhat creamy impression.  Peter Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/157675-macro-with-the-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1758813'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted August 7, 2011 Share #30  Posted August 7, 2011 .... and recently as i said "fabulous lens and fabulous macro equipment system" i love it really  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/194926-bourdon-wild-chardon.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/194374-angelica-ladybugs.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/193798-chardon-flower-ladybug.html  Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmith Posted August 8, 2011 Share #31 Â Posted August 8, 2011 I am surprised there has been no mention in this thread of the 16511 which is an ideal simple device for close-up copying of flat objects such as postage stamps, postcards and the like. I have had one for years and use it with a 50mm Elmar. Alwyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeman Posted August 8, 2011 Share #32 Â Posted August 8, 2011 HI All, Â I have got excellent macro results on my M9 by using the old copying devices, such as the BEHOO, with a bayonet adapter and on old f3.5/50mm Elmar. Framing is a dawdle! Â Ivan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photomusicfreak Posted September 27, 2011 Share #33  Posted September 27, 2011 The best macro lens on the Visoflex in my experience is a 135/4.0 lens head on either the bellows or Universalschnecke OTZFO. The results are second to none.   I am trying to contact the person (Mr. Jaapv?) who said:  "The best macro lens on the Visoflex in my experience is a 135/4.0 lens head on either the bellows or Universalschnecke OTZFO. The results are second to none."  If you get this message I would be most interested to learn why you feel this way. For example, do you feel the f.4/135 Elmar is actually superior to the 65mm Elmar? I would be very grateful to hear from you. I'm not very good at using this forum so if you'd like, my email address is  Thanking you, Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 2, 2011 Share #34 Â Posted October 2, 2011 The best macro lens on the Visoflex in my experience is a 135/4.0 lens head on either the bellows or Universalschnecke OTZFO. The results are second to none. Â Which one do you mean .... ???? Â In Puts the only one mentioned with a removable head is the Hektor 135/4.5...... Â I'd be interested in tracking one of these down but as usual with vintage Leica it is easy to make mistakes as there are often several versions...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan Posted October 2, 2011 Share #35  Posted October 2, 2011  Everybody seems to think that there is ever so much fuss using the Viso rig. I humbly disagree: In macro photography autoexposure and AF give wrong results most of the time, and it is almost as much fuss making a DSLR work in manual mode and getting focus and exposure right as using a Viso on the M9 instead.  The picture below was taken with the Elmar 65 (M9, Viso III). Enjoy!  Peter  Huh never had any issues with D300 + Nikkor 105 micro. Natur lighting and macro flash rig. Heck so convenient I had he kit in my bag if the occasion rise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 2, 2011 Share #36 Â Posted October 2, 2011 Which one do you mean .... ???? Â In Puts the only one mentioned with a removable head is the Hektor 135/4.5...... Â I'd be interested in tracking one of these down but as usual with vintage Leica it is easy to make mistakes as there are often several versions...... Try the Tele-Elmar 135/4.0 (detachable lenshood version, the most common)It will fit the standard bellows ring 16558 and the OTZFO. That ring will also take a few 90 mm lenses, but not the Hektor 135. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 6, 2011 Share #37  Posted October 6, 2011 While I'll always bow to Jaap's experience, I would still like to put in a word for the current Apo-Telyt 135 f3.4. Directly attached to a Viso 2 or 3 it gives excellent results. Attached to a Bellows 2 you get even higher levels of magnification. You can also use a modern 90 (I use the Apo-Summicron Asph) on either of these rigs for even higher levels of magnification. I've tried the 50 Summilux Asph on this, and it works, but you have to go really close to the object. The good thing about this is that working with a bare Visoflex there's no need for adaptor rings, and with the Bellows, life's pretty simple too. Again, the thread at: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/115937-visoflex-novice-macroland-4.html#post1796170 is really useful if you're going in this direction. FWIW the shot of the Perar lens I've just sold on the forum was taken with Visoflex 2 + A-T 135. Uncropped from the DNG. I find it's good to underexpose by around 2/3 stop with this set-up. The lens was stopped down to f11 for this shot, with a piece of white paper curved up behind the object. Artifical light, but a manual WB setting on camera. If you have a need for macro, this is a great way of working IMHO. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/157675-macro-with-the-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1811020'>More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted October 7, 2011 Share #38 Â Posted October 7, 2011 Tried an experiment a couple of weeks back. Held a variety of my Canon lenses infront of my M9. Got some decent 200mm shots and also some macro. Very hit and miss but you can get some decent results with some perseverance. It quenched my desire for M9 macro. And also made me realise that it really isn't the camera for it! Have a go though, it's quite fun messing about. Get some nice looking light leaks too. Â f/16 - Leica M9 macro | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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