barjohn Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share #21  Posted February 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The difference is that when that date arrives, you have to release it regardless of how much there is left to do.... either that or you have to give your self soooo much extra time in the estimate that you can't possible fail right? .....and we all know how work expands to fill the time available for it, and that customers always want to tweak things from any original spec they first thought of   Well good luck to you all, and happy shooting with v1.09......  I worked for over 30 years in the commercial world and frankly, it was easier becasue I could do exactly what you suggest; however, now that I work for the government in a "Working Capital" funded organization (you really don't want to know what that means) I can build in some fudge factor in my quote for funding but not much becasue my customers can't go back and get more money very easily if at all. They budgeted for the project two years before the funding was approved by Congress and it takes another two year cycle to get more. So far...knock on wood... I have managed to bring things in on time. Fortunately, I have a good dedicated team that will put in the hours needed in a crunch and make it happen. We just had to do that this week so I know how difficult it is. At one time I was an executive for a computer company that owned a German subsidiary and while they built our product more like a tank than a computer they were very timely in their deliveries (seemed to be a cultural thing to make deadlines and be on time). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest magyarman Posted February 9, 2007 Share #22 Â Posted February 9, 2007 ). Â Anyway--I think Leica learned the source code lesson from the DMR--at least, I hope they did. They'd have to be pretty silly at this point NOT to have contractual safeguards and key ownership agreements for M8 updates in place, especially given what happened with Imacon (not that Leica could have foreseen what happened, but better safe than sorry here). Â Which happen it with DMR exactly makes me to thing can be same happen it with M8. Why, I tell: Leica is not first day in busness. They was in one time partner with Minolta, and in later time with Fuji. Also chef guys of Leica is not small boys, they is grown up men who got long experiants in world of busness. They suppose to now is can be broke away relation between partners. This is happen it every day. Is impossible belief me they cant to now in start that can be go away Imacon and left DMR like waggon without to any horse. If this possible, than can also possible they take same mistaken another with M8. Mabe smart who don't already got it M8, wait except see firmware 1.1 before to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted February 9, 2007 Share #23  Posted February 9, 2007 I sent the following email to Leica USA today. I will post the answer when I recieve it. I recently purchased an M8, serial #31026xx. As I understood it from the Leica Forum and other Forums as well as from reading Sean Reid’s postings and site, Firmware version 1.10 was to be released around the 1st of this month. This firmware release is clearly needed to address numerous issues that I am sure you are already aware of. My concern and the concern being expressed by other M8 owners is that there are rumors that Leica and Jenoptiks have had a falling out and we may never see the promised upgrade, or it will be very very late, neither of which would be an acceptable solution. I really like the camera but in this price range I want to see a fix for many of these issues. I am sure you can understand our concern. Would you be so kind as to provide an update on what is happening, how soon can we reasonably expect this upgrade and are the rumors accurate and if so how will the dispute, if it exists, effect Leica customers.  Respectfully,  John Griffith, Esq.   Oy! I didn't say the 1st of February. Please check before you quote me by name. I said February.  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted February 9, 2007 Share #24  Posted February 9, 2007 Dave EP, I wish I worked in your world. I don't have the luxury of being able to wait until days before I am ready to release to say now it is ready. I have to make commitments months and sometimes years in advance. My funding depends on my being right more than I am wrong. If I told my sponsors you will get it when I am ready to tell you it is ready they would say that is fine, we will take our money elsewhere. Our sponsors have to make commitments years in advance of obtaining funding and I am funded for a particular program for a fixed time. If I don't deliver I won't see any more funding and my organization will be out of business. Edit: Attached is a snap shot from Sean's on where I got February date. Of course Sean could have been mistaken but I assumed he got the information from Leica.   Sean reported the information he got from Leica but "February" is not the same as "February 1st". Also, the messenger takes no responsibility for the message. ie: If they're later than February, don't shoot me.  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted February 9, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted February 9, 2007 John, I guess we have both seen quite a few things and MAY have a more complete understanding of issues than the average user. (a word that has many connotations)Â Your quote comes from Sean, not Leica. I respect Sean and his views but he neither works for Leica nor is TTBOMK their official mouth. And all he wrote was that in FEBRUARY Leica PLANS to introduce 1.10. That is a long way from a Leica commitment for February One. Â At any rate, have a nice shooting week-end! :) Â Sean was reporting information from Leica but is not responsible for them keeping to any planned time table. The information is correct, though; that is their plan. Â Cheers, Â Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted February 9, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Just give them some time, please. Â Personally, I'd much rather get the right update in march and go out shooting, than spend the next month reading on our forum how to work around (new) 'bugs'... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted February 9, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) John, I guess we have both seen quite a few things and MAY have a more complete understanding of issues than the average user. (a word that has many connotations)Â Your quote comes from Sean, not Leica. I respect Sean and his views but he neither works for Leica nor is TTBOMK their official mouth. And all he wrote was that in FEBRUARY Leica PLANS to introduce 1.10. That is a long way from a Leica commitment for February One. Â At any rate, have a nice shooting week-end! :) Â Â What's TTBOMK? Â Cheers, Â S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest magyarman Posted February 9, 2007 Share #28  Posted February 9, 2007 Why you tell Febuary?? Leica website tell Decembar was suppose 1.10 coming. This can to see here if you able to understand auf Deutsch. Here they tell: <<Nachteile für die Aufnahmen, wenn bei der LEICA M8 eine aktuelle Firmware (mindestens 1.10; verfügbar ab Anfang Dezember 2006) zum Einsatz kommt.>> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 9, 2007 Share #29 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Folks there on plan from what i hear:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted February 9, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted February 9, 2007 TTBOMK= to the best of my knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted February 9, 2007 Share #31  Posted February 9, 2007 Why you tell Febuary?? Leica website tell Decembar was suppose 1.10 coming. This can to see here if you able to understand auf Deutsch. Here they tell: <<Nachteile für die Aufnahmen, wenn bei der LEICA M8 eine aktuelle Firmware (mindestens 1.10; verfügbar ab Anfang Dezember 2006) zum Einsatz kommt.>>  My February announcement was based on conversations with Leica - research for an article.  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 9, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Let's not start shooting the messenger here folks and everything has a timeline and I am sure leica is working on it very hard and trying to get it ready. Writing code is not a easy task and making sure things are bug free is a lot of work. Hopefully it will be here soon and work as we all expect. One problem is you all know about a firmware upgrade and companies like Canon just release these things so we really don't know how long that takes to do and we do expect a lot of fixes, so let's just keep our fingers crossed that it is soon and done correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted February 9, 2007 Share #33  Posted February 9, 2007 Oh dear Sean, you are getting blamed for a lot of things now LOL !  May be next time you can be more general, and say Leica imagine an update sometime this century/millenium or perhaps earlier if it's ready  Meanwhile, if the M8 was stuck at v1.09 for ever, I would still be a happy user. Sure, there are some issues, but every camera I ever owned had some sort of issue..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 9, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Sean and i are taking turns on getting hammered this week. it's his turn now. LOL Â Just joking and having a moment of fun. Â Alright Pregnant mom coming that wants a picture for her husband for Valentines day. Man do i get all kinds of strange work. ROTFLMAO Â My wife is holding the towell, thank goodness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pklein Posted February 9, 2007 Share #35 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Guy: As the Gershwins put it, "Nice work if you can get it." Remember, you are walking in the shoes of many fine, proud practitioners of Great Art. Y'know, Edward Weston and his bell peppers. That sorta thing. Â Trust me, your wife will keep you well grounded and focused on the task at hand. Just make sure the towel is neither magenta nor cyan. I'm sure Jamie can help. Â Seriously, photographing women in various stages of pregnancy is a big deal these days. There are even photographers who specialize in it. Mostly women photographers, for obvious reasons. Â --Peter (hmm, if I get an M8 soon, will I have as much fun as Guy?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share #36  Posted February 9, 2007 Sean, sorry if I was misunderstood, I didn't mean to imply that you said the first of February. I was lumping various reports with Leica's own news announcement from November saying that it would be released in December. Somehwere amongst the threads there was one you were on where I got the impression it was expected anytime (I think it was the thread where you had a body die on you). In any case, here is Leica USA Techincals response to my email as promissed:  Good Afternoon, The upgrade to version 1.10 has been planned for the month of February... With no specific date mentioned... Albeit, everyone would like to see the update sooner rather than later... It will be posted on www.leicacamera.us Thanks... Jim  James Butler / Technical Info Leica Camera Inc. 1 Pearl Court/ Unit A / Allendale, NJ 07401 http://www.leica-camera.us/home/  I think I have stated in other posts that it probably means closer to the end of February rather than the start or middle. Really, what I was concerned about was the "falling out" with Jenoptiks given the DMR story. So...once again Sean, I appologize for lumping you in to the other posts when you are correct in saying that you never specified a date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted February 10, 2007 Share #37  Posted February 10, 2007 Oh dear Sean, you are getting blamed for a lot of things now LOL ! May be next time you can be more general, and say Leica imagine an update sometime this century/millenium or perhaps earlier if it's ready  Meanwhile, if the M8 was stuck at v1.09 for ever, I would still be a happy user. Sure, there are some issues, but every camera I ever owned had some sort of issue.....  Thanks very much Dave but, actually, no one has blamed me yet for any firmware delay. They may not blame me unless March 1 rolls around and the firmware has not yet been released. Then it will be the fault of those darn reviewers just like the newspapers are responsible for the federal deficit after they report that president XYZ claims to have a plan to eliminate it.  But on March first I won't care...it will be my birthday, I'll be taking a day off from a shoot in Florida (far from snow and cold) and nothing much will matter beyond the sand in my toes, the camera in my hand and the motorcycle waiting to carry me back from the beach when the sun goes down. <G>! Forum...schmorum!  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted February 10, 2007 Share #38  Posted February 10, 2007 Sean, sorry if I was misunderstood, I didn't mean to imply that you said the first of February. I was lumping various reports with Leica's own news announcement from November saying that it would be released in December. Somehwere amongst the threads there was one you were on where I got the impression it was expected anytime (I think it was the thread where you had a body die on you). In any case, here is Leica USA Techincals response to my email as promissed: Good Afternoon, The upgrade to version 1.10 has been planned for the month of February... With no specific date mentioned... Albeit, everyone would like to see the update sooner rather than later... It will be posted on www.leicacamera.us Thanks... Jim  James Butler / Technical Info Leica Camera Inc. 1 Pearl Court/ Unit A / Allendale, NJ 07401 http://www.leica-camera.us/home/  I think I have stated in other posts that it probably means closer to the end of February rather than the start or middle. Really, what I was concerned about was the "falling out" with Jenoptiks given the DMR story. So...once again Sean, I appologize for lumping you in to the other posts when you are correct in saying that you never specified a date.  No worries. <G>  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted February 10, 2007 Share #39 Â Posted February 10, 2007 @ Sean--happy upcoming birthday, if I forget to wish it to you on the day! Many happy returns!! Â @ Blasko and others: Leica *did* deliver a firmware upgrade already! Remember 1.09? That's not what my M8 came with! Â I'm pretty sure Leica wants to get 1.10 out as soon as they possibly can, so if I were a betting man, I'd be betting it won't be long now. Â But again--I'd rather have them get it right than get it fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiro Posted February 10, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted February 10, 2007 My source tells me that FW 1.10 will not address the IR issue nor Leica intends ever to fix it. For now the IR cut filter seems to be the only way unless the problem specific profile is used to correct the color shifting. Can anyone verify this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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