macusque Posted February 8, 2007 Share #21 Â Posted February 8, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Phew! Just in time! I bought my DMR last December ! Â And I couldn't be happier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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macusque Posted February 8, 2007 Share #22 Â Posted February 8, 2007 Anyway I thought the R10 was planned for the next Photokina, September 2008. Â Now I'm wondering if there's something new in the very next future. I can't believe there won't be any digital solution for the R-system for the next two years... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 8, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted February 8, 2007 Me either , hopefully we may hear something at PMA , i will be there asking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusque Posted February 8, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted February 8, 2007 Ok Guy, squeeze 'em Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reven Posted February 9, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Now we know why they didn't found all the problems on the M8 before releasing them... They were already to busy with the R10... Â Ok Just kidding , but it really will getting intresting. I mean Leica won't give all R users now digital solution for a year or so. --> There is something big coming up. Oh Now the PMA is getting really great. New Canon 1Ds, new leica ... OUTCH that will be an expensive year, looks like I shouldn't get a second M8 soon.... or I will have nothing left to spend on some wonderful new stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted February 9, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Maybe some of you should consider that they CAN'T make any more DMR's because they don't have the technology or support available. Also, a worse thought, is that with the problems of the M8 they are having a difficult time making anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Beaulieu Posted February 9, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) There should be no surprise that the DMR will be discontinued.I think that we all expected this to happen. One reason that I went to the DMR was that I was tired of looking at "This months new bells and whistles SLR" and then trying to fit up those "super cameras" with optics that matched my Leica lenses. The DMR system has and will continue to serve me well as long as Leica provides proper support. Firmware updates???. Â If Leica fails to support the DMR in the future, Then yes, I will be very diasppointed. Â Dick B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aschroter Posted February 9, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Hi all,Check this out Rob Galbraith DPI: Leica Digital-Modul-R discontinued; new R digital planned? Â Is this legit? Â Robbe Gibson Well what are the possible scenarios and are they consistent with Leica's philosphy? Â 1)Leica comes out with a next generation digital only camera (R10, R10D) with its own integrated digital module that can't be retroffited to the R8/R9. Â 2)A New Digital back is offered, at say 14, 16 or more Mega Pixels instead of the current 10MP. Â 3)Leica comes out with the R10 with a 14/16+MP Digital Back that is backwards compatible with the R8/R9. Â It seems to me that 2) is the scenario that would be most consistent with Leica's historical philosophy. However, the M8 reflects 1) (at least for the camera body). 3) is most desired by the base of existing R8/R9 Â As Moore's Law is marching relentlessly across the Digital Imaging arena camera manufacturers are sorely challenged with the conflicting demands for continuity and technological advancement. I suggest that for Leica the continuity is represented in the outstanding SLR and RangeFinder lenses and the camera bodies are free to advance technologically as long as lens compatability is maintained. Â Thoughts anyone? Andrew Schroter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 9, 2007 Share #29 Â Posted February 9, 2007 How's this for a scenerio a oversized FF setup . Yes folks almost MF style , depending on the image circle of the R lenses one would think you could do a square 36x36 since the image circle is round so now we have one dimension that is 36 maybe the other could be like 30. So a 30 x 36mm sensor. Hmmm . I find that a interesting idea go bigger than FF and you eliminate Canon and compete against MF. Think about this for a second . Leica is a niche player and they should be, something like this puts them smack between the Canon and MF. Now if the can stretch it to 30 x 40 it would be perfect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted February 9, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted February 9, 2007 I am now in a quandry. I was saving for the DMR to buy in April. I would love for Andrew to be right and to get the newest digital back when it comes out - but I do not want to have a non-digital R9 (I have my M for film). so the sooner someone finds out, the sooner I will either chase dealers for any stock and buy now or wait a few months (years) ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 9, 2007 Share #31 Â Posted February 9, 2007 The idea of being able to switch from analog to digital always sounded good on paper but I wonder how many people ever did so. The cost of a second R-body is swamped by the cost of pretty much any lens in the R range. Â I think if Leica want to breathe new life into the R, a digital-only body at lower cost is the way forward. Â All of a sudden, PMA looks like it might be interesting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted February 9, 2007 Share #32  Posted February 9, 2007 The idea of being able to switch from analog to digital always sounded good on paper but I wonder how many people ever did so. The cost of a second R-body is swamped by the cost of pretty much any lens in the R range. I think if Leica want to breathe new life into the R, a digital-only body at lower cost is the way forward.  All of a sudden, PMA looks like it might be interesting...  Unfortunately, (or fortunately) Leica has a lot of competition in the DSLR arena. With limited resources, I would imagine Leica would be wise to concentrate on an area that they have a monopoly, the digital rangefinder  Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 9, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Rex, do you think they should kill off the R? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 9, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Mark i never ran a roll of film through it , nor do many DMR users i know. The idea was nice but in practice, never for me. Â Honestly i am not surprised by this move at all, The DMR was a stop gap to move forward more into digital and that is were leica is going as they should. The market is certainly there but they should not directly compete against Canon or Nikon. There just to big and mass produced to hit that market. the need to be in the niche market and produce what they always have done , basically a cut above the rest. Reason many of us are here. I know I'm here because mainly of the glass but i do like there concept CCD sensors and No AA filters and so on. if they keep what they are doing like the M8 and DMR and improve on it than I think there is a very good market for them. They do have to do some things different and it is my opinion that they need to let the film thoughts die, on the M8 they held on to some traditions that maybe they should have not . Like the second LCD for example, should have been bigger and carried battery, shots remaining, EV, and ISO in that LCD. Another is the mechnical release, the electronic release of the DMR is a beauty , why they kept the mechnical can only point to film tradition because it is a M. I know i won't be liked for what i am going to say but the M is a MD now and they need to get rid of some of the old hat stuff. Not trying to offend the M traditionalist but this is a new medium and things need to be done a little different and need to think like a digital shooter. The grip could have been intergrated with a release also and would have been a better setup there. But i do like the M8 a lot and can deal with the missing digital link that we know of on the DSLR side of the house. If they come out with a bigger than FF camera like i mention above than they should also do a 1.33 small camera like a 5d or D200 companion to it. Now I am asking for two camera's. maybe a bad idea but going after to sides of the market maybe a good idea too. Guess we will find out down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted February 9, 2007 Share #35 Â Posted February 9, 2007 This is a sad situation for those who invested in the short-lived DMR so recently. It's a situation very reminiscent of Kodak's abrupt withdrawal from the pro camera market (its DCS cameras being the line). Â By most accounts the DMR could produce a very good image file, particularly at lower ISOs. (I think Guy Mancuso was touting it with his hair afire until he got his M8. ) Â But Leica's R bodies and lenses are simply overpriced and not feature-competitive in the nasty world of slr cameras. The DMR only made the situation worse. Of course I have no inside information but I suspect that there may be no "R10". I don't think that Leica has the technical or financial resources to develop a competitive digital slr at this time. It may make more sense for them to milk the M line, particularly the M8, and their lens sales (which will certainly have up-ticked a bit with the M8) for a while. Perhaps re-evaluate the situation in a year or two. Â Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted February 9, 2007 Share #36  Posted February 9, 2007 ..... The DMR system has and will continue to serve me well as long as Leica provides proper support. Firmware updates???. If Leica fails to support the DMR in the future, Then yes, I will be very diasppointed.  Dick B.  Agree. And I believe most of the DMR users were already Leica R systems owners before pruchasing the DMR, whoelse a new comer would invest that amount of money to buy a new combo of R9+DMR, then a series of R lenses? This existing R users group will also be the main market of the coming new R.  So although Leica discontinued the DMR, I do really want there will be real support on this machine, such as firmware upgrades but not just repairing services. Otherwise how does the company retain customers loyalty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 9, 2007 Share #37 Â Posted February 9, 2007 I guess that most know that a single camera outfit is not enough to survive in this climate. Mybe the Panasonic relationship was a mistake for Leica in the DSLR market, the olypanaleica E-330,L1,D3 are in the middle of the field...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted February 9, 2007 Share #38  Posted February 9, 2007 If the R10 was a full frame, 16bpp digital, completely integrated into a lighter, quieter and faster, ergonomic package with no separate "back," had a brighter viewfinder and some kind of focus confirmation, better high ISO capability and cost about the same as the M8--well that's all I'd want from a new dSLR.  Think they can do it for $5K US? I wonder if they could really go "out there" and get a Foveon sensor--or something that works like a Foveon? True 12 or 16 mp resolution is all I'd want  Not asking for much, eh?  @Ken, Leica's R glass is *still* the best dSLR glass out there. To call it "not competitive" is just plain silly. It's not cheap, but it's certainly competitive, if you're competing on quality. In fact, I came to Leica digital by shooting Canon's pro stuff--with R glass. I found I could focus just as easily in low light with manual focus lenses as my other L glass lenses could automatically, quite aside from image quality issues.  If Leica can make or licence the "Pana/Leicas," they can certainly make an R10 that's "competitive." I don't really care who makes the sensor, as long as the replacement takes my R glass and has the quality of the DMR images and R series bodies.  And for heaven's sake, it's not at all reminiscent of Kodak pulling out of the pro camera market. Leica also has the M8, and it's a great camera too. The DMRs have been out for awhile, and they're still great... I doubt service is going away on them anyway.  Finally (what an edit), none of us bought the DMR with any illusions about it being anything more than a fabulous stop-gap; it's astounding they built it at all!  The good news is that when the DMR replacement does come, I'll have my R9 for dedicated film. My 5d won't nearly be so useful when its time comes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 9, 2007 Share #39 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Ken the DMR is still and always will be sitting on the top of the hill until something can knock it off. No one but Leica itself is able to do that Yet except for MF. I still stand by the DMR and it's image files and never a doubt in my mind about that. I already proved that and it is old news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted February 9, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted February 9, 2007 Actually anyone knows totally how many DMRs have been manufactuered? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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