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Decision Time for Lens #2

marknorton

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Damn Mark you got both sides of the barn covered. LOL

 

If you don't need the speed in the 90 than stick with the Elamarit, it's a nice lens but it seems to me you may want a different look or charactor than i would go for the 75mm lux which is what i just did. Now I have the 75mm lux and the 90 f2 apo but i need the speed on the 90mm. There is always the Nocti too.

 

My letters maybe just going to waste, I seem to have more than enough now. I already just ordered a bigger bag and I did not want to carry something bigger.

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Guy, thanks for that, it was your switching to the 90/2 that got me wondering, the "APO" tag certainly delivers in the case of the 75/2. Then there was Carsten's comment about used 75/1.4's being available for much less than list, less even than the discounted Leica price, but the 75/1.4 is old school, I like the softer approach and it may not be around for ever. As for the T-E, the more compact dimensions and better mechanicals appeal.

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Mark, I've been watching them (75 Simmilux) on ebay for a while and Carsten is right, they seem to get knocked down in the €1200 -1500 range. But they are generally not coded which would add another €150 (p+p inc) to the price later on. It's a tough call to make 2nd hand for 1.5k or brand spanking new coded for just shy of 2k without vat.

Leica UK told me the 75 Summilux is no longer in production so I'm guessing supplies will dry up at some point in time.

 

The 28-35-50 TE looks interesting as a walkabout covering most used focal range but you already know it's uses from your existing one, will the v2 make any real difference to you?.

 

I'm still drawn to the Noctilux / 75 Summilux and figure the either will give me the softness I'm looking for. The Noctilux has the edge in my thought process for available light but I really don't need a filler between 35 and 75, oh choices, choices. Perhaps I'll just sell the 75 Summicron and replace it with the Summilux and keep the 2k in my pocket. ;)

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I'm still drawn to the Noctilux / 75 Summilux and figure the either will give me the softness I'm looking for.

Neither the Noctilux nor the 75 lux are soft wide open and/or close up .... if you see soft shots of these lenses it is driver error (slightly oof or too slow shutterspeed)........... they have a different fingerprint than the asph lenses .. yes ... but soft is not the right word to describe it imho;)

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Neither the Noctilux nor the 75 lux are soft wide open and/or close up .... if you see soft shots of these lenses it is driver error (slightly oof or too slow shutterspeed)........... they have a different fingerprint than the asph lenses .. yes ... but soft is not the right word to describe it imho;)

 

Well perhaps "softer" is the wrong term to use, but the Noctilux and Summilux have to be less clinical than the 75 Summicron, the cron is just to damn sharp and contrasty. I like the "glow or halo" effect the 75 Summilux imparts, again perhaps the wrong term but the Summilux gives a look with a slight translucence to skin tones which I can't replicate with the Summicron. This is what I mean by my term softer, the image is softer in tone, sorry for the confusion. ;)

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Totally agree get the 75 lux used for sure , I paid way less than the 30 percent off. The deals I saw were like the 28 , 75 crons the TE and Nocti that are very good prices on the 30 percent off letter, matbe a couple more but the LUX was too high given 1800 or 1900 is around a good price used

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Neither the Noctilux nor the 75 lux are soft wide open and/or close up .... if you see soft shots of these lenses it is driver error (slightly oof or too slow shutterspeed)........... they have a different fingerprint than the asph lenses .. yes ... but soft is not the right word to describe it imho;)

 

I agree the word soft is really not they way to describe it and i know what Eoin is trying to say but we need to find a better word than soft because it is confusing. Maybe glowing charactor or something like that

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Mark, if you were to list all your lenses,

 

1. We could all salivate, and

2. have a perspective for a lens recommendation.

 

Speaking for myself, I wish I had more lenses at the wider end (f 1.4's, of course) which is totally due to the M8 and its resolution.

 

On my M4 and M6, I used the 35 and 50 for stage work and the 75 for portraits. With the M8, I am using the 24 most and wishing I had a 15 (f1.4, of courrse).

 

I am wondering when the arbitrage market for 30%-off lenses will develop.

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Bill, let's just say I have 50 and below "covered".. ;)

 

I agree with you about fast wides. I love the wide angle look with restricted DoF which you just cannot get on any P&S. For my Nikon, I have a 28mm f1.4 but even that is 42mm EqFov on a D2x. With a film M, using the 35mm at f1.4 is special but in M8-land you have nowhere to go to maintain speed, angle of view and restricted DoF. The 28/2 and 24/2.8 help you with FoV and higher ISO compensates for the 1 - 2 stop difference but you just can't get that restricted DoF.

 

I think a 28mm Summilux or 24mm Summicron would be very popular...

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Well, then, there's no question at all about what to do.

 

You have the wide end covered and more long lenses than any good person deserves.

 

Work out a deal so that someone else pays you for the 30% discount, pack a few of your beautiful lenses in a bag, and take what must be the most understanding significant other any of us has heard of to Italy for a while.

 

When you return, we can salivate over your pix, too.

 

BTW, I love my 75 'lux. Great choice.

 

Regards,

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Bill, let's just say I have 50 and below "covered".. ;)

 

I agree with you about fast wides. I love the wide angle look with restricted DoF which you just cannot get on any P&S. For my Nikon, I have a 28mm f1.4 but even that is 42mm EqFov on a D2x. With a film M, using the 35mm at f1.4 is special but in M8-land you have nowhere to go to maintain speed, angle of view and restricted DoF. The 28/2 and 24/2.8 help you with FoV and higher ISO compensates for the 1 - 2 stop difference but you just can't get that restricted DoF.

 

I think a 28mm Summilux or 24mm Summicron would be very popular...

 

Mark

 

I don't think there is a 24 cron, only the Elmarit. However that lens is fast becoming one of my favorites albeit when I was shooting film M's it rarely came out of the bag. This is a very special lens IMO

 

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Bill, as it happens, we are going to Lake Garda and Verona in the summer... And, yes, Carolyn is long-suffering...

 

Woody, yes, you are correct only the Elmarit, I was fantasising... I always thought it was the runt of the litter but it has new credentials on the M8 and deservedly so.

 

Thanks everyone for your feedback, I'm going for the 75/1.4...

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Mark, I've been watching them (75 Simmilux) on ebay for a while and Carsten is right, they seem to get knocked down in the €1200 -1500 range. But they are generally not coded which would add another €150 (p+p inc) to the price later on.

 

Truth is you can get almost any of these lenses on eBay for quite a bit less than the 30% discount. I got the 28Cron Asph for $1700, the Lux 75 for $1500, the 90APO Cron black paint for $1850. All in like new conditions. So if you are patient you can get it. If not, you can also get into a bidding war like $2800 for the 90APO Cron a couple of days ago.

 

With all the money 'saved' on eBay I am getting a Lux50 LHSA black paint at retail.

 

I'm still debating what to do with my 30% discount. :confused:

 

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I'm still debating what to do with my 30% discount. :confused: Alan

 

ask a poor student of photograpy if he would like to use your discount... and for this you are allowed to choose 10 prints from his latest work (with his signature) :)

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Then again we could all stop feeding our insatiable optical fetishes and use the funds to beef up our individual data archiving capabilites.

 

Sadly, one thing the M8 can't give us is that very stable image retention device called, "the negative."

 

We all must now develop our own "best practices" for storing bits and bytes if we want the images to last and be available over time.

 

Just a thought ...

 

-g

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ask a poor student of photograpy if he would like to use your discount... and for this you are allowed to choose 10 prints from his latest work (with his signature) :)

 

Olof, I'm not sure your quote is from me but rather from Alan, I know I'll use my discount at some stage in the future but on what lens is the $64,000 queation :D

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