rvaubel Posted February 5, 2007 Share #21  Posted February 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The fast, wides are what everyone wants. There are no real "gaps" in the reast of the range  A 21 or 24mm F2 seems to be the real hole in the lineup. It would be a big lens so designing it for the 1.33 crop factor would help.  Cosina could do such a lens but I have a feeling that there must be some sort of contractual relationship with Zeiss at not undercutting their range.  Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lars_bergquist Posted February 5, 2007 Share #22 Â Posted February 5, 2007 I would want a useable 16 or 15 mm prime lens, with RF coupling and provision for filter use (possibly only for the M8 to make the diameter reasonable). I do not however expect this from Solms within the foreseeable future, however; they probably still think they have solved the wide angle problem ... they seem to have lately acquired some of the old Zeiss 'we know what's best for you' syndrome. Â I expect that lens from Cosina. And I think it will have an integral M bayonet with a nice little recess where the customer can put a variegated strip of adhesive label ... The lens will NOT be coded, and the rest of the M bayonet is in the public domain. Â The old man from the Age of Screw Thread Lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 5, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted February 5, 2007 Lars, Zeiss make a lens that almost fits the bill and it's huge - Noctilux sized. Not sure if rangefinder coupling is needed as there's so much depth of field with a 15mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted February 5, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted February 5, 2007 Lars, Zeiss make a lens that almost fits the bill and it's huge - Noctilux sized. Not sure if rangefinder coupling is needed as there's so much depth of field with a 15mm. Â Steve, I'm not thinking 1:2.8. I'm thinking portable = 1:4. Â The old man from the Age of Box Cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemeng Posted February 5, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted February 5, 2007 Now that Leica has a high-quality M digital camera, why not a high quality M Fisheye lens to go with it? Â That way we could use the M8 to shoot stitched panoramic images. We can still do it now of course using lens-mount adapters and either the R 16mm fisheye or off-brand lenses. But a high quality M fisheye lens would be more compact and nicer :?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted February 5, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted February 5, 2007 Just in case it's not just 'us' following this thread: Â Leica's digital 'Superwide'. Â 15 or 16 mm. with a modern separate viewfinder that has built in diopter correction and spirit level. Small can be beautiful, so f4 is OK as is reduced image circle for covering the current sensor size, but it must be rangefinder coupled, and above all - free of barrel distortion. A lens for architecture. Â Please. Â .......................Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdewitt Posted February 5, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted February 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Seems to me that Leica can't deliver on the lenses they've already introduced. I can't get a WATE because there aren't any. I can't get a 28/2.8 ASPH because there aren't any. If they introduce other lenses I want, what good will it do me if I can't get them? Â FWIW, I want small, light 18/4 and 16/4. I love my 15/4.5 CV but I'd like to have a Leica lens in that range. And 18 would be my most-used focal length by far. I'm sure Leica think they have it covered with the WATE, but it is huge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted February 5, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted February 5, 2007 I think the next thing will be a revised version of the 50/2, and maybe revised versions of the 50/1 and the 75/1.4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 5, 2007 Share #29  Posted February 5, 2007 I would want a useable 16 or 15 mm prime lens, with RF coupling and provision for filter use (possibly only for the M8 to make the diameter reasonable). I do not however expect this from Solms within the foreseeable future, however; they probably still think they have solved the wide angle problem ... they seem to have lately acquired some of the old Zeiss 'we know what's best for you' syndrome. I expect that lens from Cosina. And I think it will have an integral M bayonet with a nice little recess where the customer can put a variegated strip of adhesive label ... The lens will NOT be coded, and the rest of the M bayonet is in the public domain.  The old man from the Age of Screw Thread Lenses  the old Zeiss 'we know what's best for you' syndrome: simply, compliments for the phrase, AH AH AH: I do use sometime my Contarex: adjusting stops vith the 2nd finger in front of the body... focusing the 250 Sonnar via the side wheel...really a "that's best for me" oh oh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted February 5, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted February 5, 2007 1. The demand for faster ultra-wides is as a result of the 1.33 factor of the M8. If Leica where to make them with an image circle large enough for film they would be huge and priced in the stratosphere. If 1.33 is likely to be around for say at least 5 years why not make an M8 specific 24/1.4? Â 2. I am hoping the 28/2.8 ASPH and 90 Macro-elmar are the beginning of a trend to some more affordable (in Leica terms) lenses. Â 3. A Leica Hologon. A 12mm fixed aperture lens. It could be spectacular in performance without one having to mortgage the house to buy one. It would also be tiny. + a viewfinder with spirit level and brightlines for M8. Â 4. Then of course every now and then they should produce a no expense spared lens that costs a mint and sets a new standard. How about a 35mm Noct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 5, 2007 Share #31 Â Posted February 5, 2007 Steve, I'm not thinking 1:2.8. I'm thinking portable = 1:4 Â Lars, sorry for the misunderstanding. The Voigtlander lens is f4.5, so it's not too far off :-) Â Looking at my lens the DOF at f4.5 is from under 1 metre to infinity. I reckon even I can zone focus that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucklik Posted February 5, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted February 5, 2007 I know this is the digital forum. But I would like to see an LTM 50 f2.8 and 35 f2.8 or f3.5 And for my M6 & 7 a 24 f2 Â Luc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted February 5, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted February 5, 2007 ... why not make an M8 specific 24/1.4? ... QUOTE]Â Yes. Pretty please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted February 5, 2007 Share #34  Posted February 5, 2007 I think only the Noctilux and Summilux 75mm are left for strong optical improvement - to noticeably improve lenses like the 50 Asph will take some time and technological developement ;-)  They will likely focus on 1-2 WA-primes for the R-System, those designs are really old.  1,4/28 or 2/24 would be great, but at Leica-quality-standards (do we want something different?) extremely huge and expensive.  But two things are extremely important:  - No "throw-away"-lenses for 18x27mm-sensors - I don't want to pay 2000€ for a lens I only can use with a camera that will likely be build until 2010 - I want to use them in 2020 with the M11!!! Imagine Leica would have made APS-cameras/lenses! And you would have paid thousands of Euros for those cute little lenses... And now? Using it with the RD-1 @ 6MPixel? Or selling them for a few hundred bucks?...  - Not again cheap lenses with expensive brand. Panasonic, Minolta - they've tried it again and again - and sometimes it was fun but it never was...Leica! When I pay for Leica, I want Leica - nothing else! What do you want? Show off with "Hey, look, I have a Carl Zeiss-lens on my Sony" or "Hey, look, I have a cool Leica on my Panasonic"? Or do you want the quality it is famous for? Then you need to accept those prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted February 5, 2007 Share #35 Â Posted February 5, 2007 Georg, I think that maybe the Noctilux and 75 Summilux are the last two Leica M lenses left with "magic". I hope they will not be replaced, or "improved". Dr. Walter Mandler had a very different philosophy wrt. lens design, and I am not convinced that he was wrong. Â To extend my earlier list with more details, here are my hoped-for lenses: Â Ultimate lenses: 15/2.8 (smaller than Zeiss!), 24/2, 28/1.4, 65/1.4 (Portrait lens, ie. Mandler-style). Compact, affordable: 15/4, 21/4. Inconceivable: 1:2 or 1:1 macro lens of some sort. The 90/4 is almost there, but not quite. Maybe a 75/2.8 macro with 1:2 capability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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