roydonian Posted June 10, 2011 Share #121 Posted June 10, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, in the "ranting" post supposedly by this "Seal", he states clearly that he does not have an M9-P and that the camera he is carrying is not one. Why does everyone insist that it is? I cannot speak for “everyone” – just for myself. I say that this in an M9-P because I have examined a magnified and computer-enhanced version of the image in order to establish the identity of the camera, based on what I already know about the new M9-P model. When the individual concerned denies having an M6-P, he is being “economical with the truth”. Remember “The Artist formerly known as Prince”?. Well, the Leica in question is “The camera soon to be known as the M9-P” When David Farkas went to Solms in July 2009 and was allowed to try out a certain new camera, what he was able to use was not an M9 but a ‘P864’. So if anyone asked him on this return if he had been shown the then-rumoured M9, he could honestly reply “No”, thus telling the truth and not breaking any non-disclosure agreement (NDA) he had signed. (I find sad that while those members of our forum who helped test the latest M9 firmware have reportedly had to sign NDAs, a celebrity can be seen in public flaunting a camera that is clearly an undisclosed new model, and is probably being encouraged to do so by Leica.) Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted June 10, 2011 Share #122 Posted June 10, 2011 Well, in the "ranting" post supposedly by this "Seal", he states clearly that he does not have an M9-P and that the camera he is carrying is not one. Why does everyone insist that it is? Look at the photos he 'leaked'. If he's insisting it's not an M9-P then it's damage limitation because he's leaked a bit too much information perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 10, 2011 Share #123 Posted June 10, 2011 I cannot speak for “everyone” – just for myself. I say that this in an M9-P because I have examined a magnified and computer-enhanced version of the image in order to establish the identity of the camera, based on what I already know about the new M9-P model. Considering all the work you put into it you would earn winning this game, I think I'm seeing a film M because I miss the on/off knob at the front of the shutter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 10, 2011 Share #124 Posted June 10, 2011 Is George Clooney a particularly qualified coffee drinker? :D:D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 10, 2011 Share #125 Posted June 10, 2011 a celebrity can be seen in public flaunting a camera that is clearly an undisclosed new model, and is probably being encouraged to do so by Leica. Not just celebrities … When a camera vendor invites members of the press to try out some hitherto undisclosed model, you have to sign an NDA spelling out in no uncertain terms what would happen should break it. But once you are there and have received your evaluation copy you may usually roam the city at large without taking special precautions to hide the camera. However, should someone approach you and ask whether that’s the rumoured new CaNiTaxLymSonic everyone is talking about, you are not supposed to spill the beans. Total secrecy is just not practical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted June 10, 2011 Share #126 Posted June 10, 2011 Let me get this straight... all this fuss is about taking off the dot and inscribing the top-plate? hmmm I wonder how many people who said the M9 was their 'camera for life' are gonna be exchanging it for the new model...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted June 10, 2011 Share #127 Posted June 10, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) First of all, despite what some of you think Steve is or isn’t implying….I DO NOT HAVE AN M9-P or whatever Leica’s next camera is going to be so we can put that to bed. I would tend to take him at face value, Non-disclosure agreement or not. I think if he had one he just would say nothing. You're all jumping like trained seals because of a few vague internet images which may or may not signify anything. If they do come out with some cosmetically modified camera, all the dweebs who have to have the latest and greatest are going to rush to buy one anyway. I don't begrudge Leica making an easy profit. Apple did the same thing with different colored iPods. I just won't buy into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 10, 2011 Share #128 Posted June 10, 2011 I would tend to take him at face value, Non-disclosure agreement or not. I think if he had one he just would say nothing. You're all jumping like trained seals because of a few vague internet images which may or may not signify anything. If they do come out with some cosmetically modified camera, all the dweebs who have to have the latest and greatest are going to rush to buy one anyway. I don't begrudge Leica making an easy profit. Apple did the same thing with different colored iPods. I just won't buy into it. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 10, 2011 Share #129 Posted June 10, 2011 I would tend to take him at face value, Non-disclosure agreement or not. I think if he had one he just would say nothing. If he didn’t have the rumoured new M9 he would say what the mystery camera is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted June 10, 2011 Share #130 Posted June 10, 2011 Well, I'm not going to play mind-reader. Everyone can obviously draw their own conclusions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 10, 2011 Share #131 Posted June 10, 2011 M6J Doesn’t look like an M6J to me: GOING RETRO! 35 Cron PRE-ASPH (for a change). on Twitpic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 10, 2011 Share #132 Posted June 10, 2011 Hi If he had actually had a DLSR, you could have photoshopped it... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted June 10, 2011 Share #133 Posted June 10, 2011 Goodness gracious me! I've rarely seen such quantity of bad taste in a single picture! A guy wearing a jogging suit and baskets being a Leica Ambassador!? My goodness.... Even if the guy is someone called Seal (being famous doesn't give you 'a touch of class' or distinction), it's simply bad taste! Sorry, guys, I never understood why Leica has chosen a 'wally' as a Leica Ambassador. Never mind. God save the Queen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted June 10, 2011 Share #134 Posted June 10, 2011 Not just celebrities … When a camera vendor invites members of the press to try out some hitherto undisclosed model, you have to sign an NDA spelling out in no uncertain terms what would happen should break it. But once you are there and have received your evaluation copy you may usually roam the city at large without taking special precautions to hide the camera. True, but would be it within the terms of the NDA to walk into the local camera shop with it, or to take it on a camera club outing? Carrying it past the paparazzi strikes me as equally indiscrete. That’s why I used the word ‘flaunting’. Let me get this straight... all this fuss is about taking off the dot and inscribing the top-plate?hmmm I wonder how many people who said the M9 was their 'camera for life' are gonna be exchanging it for the new model...? I didn’t exchange my M6 for an M7 or my Nikon D200 for a D300. Same goes for lenses. My oldest Leica lens was made in 1932 and one that I use regularly was made in 1959. But since I am in the market for an M9, but don’t want a painted camera but a silver-chrome model that will match the rest of my gear, both the technical specification and the external finish of the new camera were of prime interest to me. Had the ‘innards’ been changed, for example by the use of a new Maestro-derived processor, I’d have waited for any ‘teething troubles’ to be over before placing an order. You're all jumping like trained seals because of a few vague internet images which may or may not signify anything. Part of my job is looking at “vague internet images which may or may not signify anything” and writing technical reports if I determine that they are significant. So having those sorts of skills to hand, the sort of comments on the leaked pics that I’ve been making in this forum are the sort of thing I can do is a short time while drinking my final early-morning mug of coffee. It’s no more hassle than reading a few pages of the morning newspaper, and it keeps my photo-analysis skills sharp. The last ‘real-world’ technical-analysis job I did took almost three days, but in that case the hardware was military and the (deliberately?) misleading news photograph I was studying was from Iran. I got a bit annoyed by the Leica marketing department playing these silly games with us instead of just putting out a press release and telling us that a new model is on its way. I can only assume that they are hoping that each leak will generate lots of ‘is-it-or-isn’t-it’ speculation. So it amuses me to establish whatever facts can be gleaned and promptly publish them. I can’t see how this sort of marketing game of repeated leaks is going to generate additional sales of the M9-P (unless some fans of a certain pop singer decide that it would be ‘kool’ to carry the same kind of camera as their idol), but I have always suspected that marketing people are not living on the same planet as the rest of us. Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 10, 2011 Share #135 Posted June 10, 2011 I interesting to see how many people have viewed this thread! Whddabunch! Seal is nobodies fool I betcha. Someone long ago quipped: ‘’ I don’t care what they say about me in the papers as long as they spell my name right.’’ It’s pretty hard to misspell Seal. That’s thinking! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted June 10, 2011 Share #136 Posted June 10, 2011 Doesn’t look like an M6J to me: GOING RETRO! 35 Cron PRE-ASPH (for a change). on Twitpic. Does anyone really believe that Seal took this photo? Look at the lighting and the crop, designed to give away a little without showing too much (truly camera porn). Notice how you can just make out the "P" designation on the accessory shoe, how the serial number is not legible, how the "Leica" name is highlighted. This is advertising in all it's glory, it's from the factory, and it's successful (just look at how much we are all discussing it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted June 10, 2011 Share #137 Posted June 10, 2011 Well, I've had enough of "Seal" and everything having to do with "Seal". This is my last post on the topic. (maybe they'll give a new camera to "Walrus" and get everyone all excited again) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 10, 2011 Share #138 Posted June 10, 2011 Well, I've had enough of "Seal" and everything having to do with "Seal". This is my last post on the topic. (maybe they'll give a new camera to "Walrus" and get everyone all excited again) Me too…. whew enough is enough. Not to change the subject but do you think seafurydriver really drives a Seafury? If so I wonder whats under the hood? A Napier Sabre V perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted June 10, 2011 Share #139 Posted June 10, 2011 This is advertising in all it's glory, it's from the factory, and it's successful (just look at how much we are all discussing it). To be successful as an advert, it's got to persuade us to buy it, not just discuss it! I was already waiting for a silver chrome M9 to be offered, so I guess I don't really count as an example of someone who has been persuaded. The sudden death of a friend about ten days ago - a reminder that none of us knows how many shooting days we have left - was a much more powerful incentive to put my name down for an M9-P than any advert could have been. Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted June 10, 2011 Share #140 Posted June 10, 2011 Not to change the subject but do you think seafurydriver really drives a Seafury? If so I wonder whats under the hood? A Napier Sabre V perhaps? Wright 3350-WD, same as a Skyraider. It's too hard to get parts for the original Bristol Centaurus, which is a fantastic engine, even though it's terribly complex and difficult to work on thanks to the use of sleeve valves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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