pop Posted May 29, 2011 Share #1 Â Posted May 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) [ATTACH]259949[/ATTACH] Â M8, 75mm Summarit-M, slightly cropped. Thank you for looking and any comments which might occur to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Hi pop, Take a look here Bridge Over Water. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
csg Posted May 29, 2011 Share #2 Â Posted May 29, 2011 I'm sorry but this just doesn't do anything for me. My impression is that you're stuck in no-man's land, neither close enough or far enough, depending on what you intended. Sorry I can't be more constructive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted May 29, 2011 Share #3 Â Posted May 29, 2011 Just my way of seeing things ... Â I'd crop some more and get rid of all the ''blue'' showing beneath the bridge and some from the top and ... Â try it out in B&W .... punched up ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted May 30, 2011 Share #4 Â Posted May 30, 2011 I like the space....but another approach would be to have equal spacing above and below....and B&W to enhance the geometry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share #5 Â Posted May 30, 2011 csg - thank you for your frank input. I appreciate it greatly and think it very constructive. Your impression is spot on as I am learning to handle my latest acquisition, the 75mm lens on the m8. Â Ivan - thank you for your helpful suggestions. Am I imagining things? When I had a quick peek at this thread during the afternoon from the office, I think I spotted a very nice demo by you? If so, I thank you very much and humbly ask you to put it here again. I'm not yet very comfortable with b/w. Â Virgil - thank you for your suggestions and encouragement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted May 31, 2011 Share #6 Â Posted May 31, 2011 Yes you're right. I had done so Philipp, but wasn't sure how you would have taken it. Someone recently, thought that it being a rude gesture when someone else tries to help, so I took it down soon after. Also, sometimes, it is not enough to explain by words as I had done in my first comment. So here it is. Thank you Philipp. Â [ATTACH]260150[/ATTACH] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauledell Posted May 31, 2011 Share #7 Â Posted May 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Philipp, Â I have to go with Ivan's idea about cropping the area below the bridge and about half to three quarters of the way down to the top of the bridge. Keep it blue if you don't trust yourself with b&w although that's the way I would go. Â Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauledell Posted May 31, 2011 Share #8 Â Posted May 31, 2011 Yes you're right. I had done so Philipp, but wasn't sure how you would have taken it. Someone recently, thought that it being a rude gesture when someone else tries to help, so I took it down soon after.Also, sometimes, it is not enough to explain by words as I had done in my first comment. So here it is. Thank you Philipp. Â [ATTACH]260150[/ATTACH] That's what I was talking about. Â Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted May 31, 2011 Share #9 Â Posted May 31, 2011 Philipp & Ivan - Â That's much better. For the color one I'd like to see it punched up a bit, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
csg Posted June 1, 2011 Share #10 Â Posted June 1, 2011 That's much better. The cropping removed the mountains that were in the background. They were subtle, but they distracted. And I personally like the toning, it gives the picture some oomph whereas before the color was lackluster and didn't add anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
csg Posted June 1, 2011 Share #11 Â Posted June 1, 2011 Here's a great blog post dissecting different cropping methods and there impacts on a photo. Very interesting discussion of the geometries of the a photo. It might help with this shot. Â http://www.adammarelliphoto.com/2011/05/your-shot-003/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likalar Posted June 2, 2011 Share #12 Â Posted June 2, 2011 This photograph has evolved very nicely, thanks to the input of several viewers, and the welcome reception of this input by Pop. He even encouraged Ivan's actual changes to the image. I wish there was a symbol that a photographer could place next to a title that denotes that constructive changes are welcome for that particular image. I enjoy such changes as a learning experience, tho I understand the hesitation one has before making changes without permission (I'm the one that was rude a few weeks back, making changes that were not welcome). Â Anyway, really nice photograph, Pop, and the generous advice made it even a bit better. Â Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Marelli Posted June 2, 2011 Share #13  Posted June 2, 2011 Thanks CGS,  Happy to hear the article is helpful.  The difficulty with the image above, and I mean this with complete affection, is that it violates two major principles of creating the illusion of depth in an image.  First, by locating the bridge at the bottom of the frame it looks like it "sits" on the edge of the frame and does not recede in space. If it were placed higher up and there was some visible light below, we would start to get a sense that the bridge is at a distance from us.  Second, the shot is almost a silhouette and does not have the necessary highlights on the subjects (presumably) the people, to create the idea of volume. It would be like back lighting a basket ball, which would look like a flat disc. Even though this image is not backlit, the surface area of the people, in proportion to the whole image is too small. The highlights appear like dots.  If someone squints their eyes and looks at the image we see the read subject of the photo. The cross bar of the bridge at the top is the area of greatest contrast in the picture. Squinting is an old technique used by artists to see the values of light and dark in a scene without being distracted by the details. The image above appears like a Barnett Newman "Zip" painting.  I think, (and this is just a guess) that the part of the image that caught Pop's eye was the bridge lines that come down to the people. But as the comments above stated, the picture was taken from too great of a distance to have carrying power. We read the lines more easily than their relationship to the people.  Thanks Pop for putting the picture up. The instinct to take the shot is good, but the angle and distance just need a little adjustment.  Adam  Adam Marelli Photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 2, 2011 Author Share #14 Â Posted June 2, 2011 My heartfelt thanks to all of you for your kind and generous contributions. I feel that it has been a long time since I learned so much about making images. Hopefully, I will be able to do some more work on this image this coming weekend. Â Please be aware that the much improved version shown above is entirely Ivan's work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted June 2, 2011 Share #15  Posted June 2, 2011 Philipp  nice thread, and your attitude about comments is wonderful ! . . . wish everyone was so open to commentary.  you can't please everyone with this photo, though . . . I would straighten the perspective and crop the top so the arch becomes the top of the frame. (had to drop my 2cents on it ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted June 2, 2011 Share #16 Â Posted June 2, 2011 I would also seriously consider flipping this image! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share #17 Â Posted June 3, 2011 How's that for a start: Â [ATTACH]260703[/ATTACH] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted June 3, 2011 Share #18 Â Posted June 3, 2011 To be honest, I would never crop the bikers Philipp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 6, 2011 Author Share #19 Â Posted June 6, 2011 Again, I wish to thank all of you who contributed to this thread and thus to my way of looking at my photograph. Â However, I now have reached the point where every change just makes it different but not better. Time to stop worrying that particular shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 7, 2011 Share #20  Posted June 7, 2011 Philipp,  "Viele Köche verderben den Brei". Lovely images.  Thanks, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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