Jamie Roberts Posted January 30, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) So I think my M8 has developed a flaw...the control wheel on the back seems to be not working completely, and I can't zoom and chimp anymore. Â The display works, but the wheel moves only a "full screen" at a time, so the display bounces back and forth between "small" and multiple shots. No zoom. Â I'd love to think this is somehow battery related, but I think it's the wheel control itself. I've pulled the battery a number of times to see if it's a software glitch; no joy. It could just be dirty, I guess, but I don't see a way to clean it, either... Â The one good thing is that if that particular wheel fails, you can still get to all the necessary controls, including all the menus, using the up/down buttons. That's very good; I like redundant systems in the field. But I miss the zoom and the ease of changing ISO / WB etc... I wasn't even thinking about it; now I need to look carefully. Â Ah well. This must have been a sign. Sigh. Time to send the M8 into Solms anyway (and I had just fixed a wee backfocusing glitch too, thanks to this forum--darn it! My Luxes now focus wide open much more consistently!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peterv Posted January 30, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted January 30, 2007 That's bad luck, Jamie... Â I hope that when you send your camera in, it will return in no time, in perfect working order! Â Cheers, Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted January 30, 2007 Share #3  Posted January 30, 2007 .... new "issues" keep popping up more often than i would like to see. From the bright side ..... it's good it happened before you shipped it for "the fix". Good luck with it .. and i wish you a fast return from Solms!  Kind regards  Han Borger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted January 30, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Jamie, Â Sorry to hear that. Just curious, do you know how many exposures you've made with the camera? Â Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted January 30, 2007 Share #5  Posted January 30, 2007 Jamie, Sorry to hear that. Just curious, do you know how many exposures you've made with the camera?  Larry A very good friend of mine here in Fort Collins new M8 has the same problem. He sent it to N.J. but they had to send it back to Solms. So the turn around, including travel to N.J. and back approaches about five weeks.  Reminds me of the selection wheel on the DMR which had the affront to fall off. And of course always at the most critical times.  Woody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 30, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted January 30, 2007 OK, this is some of the worst news I have heard recently on the Forum. Â HOW are the rest of us going to cope when Jamie has no M8???!!! Â Who is going to update the profiles he started .... Â Jamie, sorry for the inconvenience. The rest of us will await your rejuvenation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 30, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is were that second body comes in handy. One thing I did when mine crashed was buy a second one. I know it should not in the first place but options are good. Maybe something to consider Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 31, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted January 31, 2007 I was forward-thinking in saving in advance for the M8. What I wish I had done was save for 2 bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulphoto Posted January 31, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted January 31, 2007 My M8 (310003xx) has stopped displaying photos, menu, info on the back LCD. It does display the sd card and bottom plate messages so the screen is still alive. The camera still records photos, but I just can't review them. Makes it like a film camera... so I sent it back for repair and upgrade, I'm spoiled and don't want to be without it at work, not a good thing. Bob LaPree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted January 31, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted January 31, 2007 I really am beginning to wonder how many of these things are static related. Jamie's problem in which the wheel *somewhat* works, doesn't seem like it would be mechanical...When I sent my camera to Solms for the basic fixes, it was out of my hands for about 40 days (though that included the German Christmas holiday). I hate the thought of losing it for another six weeks if something goes wrong. I wonder if there's still the same backup, or if the turn-around time is getting shorter? You would think they'd just about be done with the retrofitting of the first batch... Â I'd also think that with all the cameras in the US, they'd move a repair guy (or two) to New Jersey to handle cameras from the US and Canada. The travel time to Solms and back, through customs, probably adds at least two weeks to the total time you lose your camera. Â JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 31, 2007 Share #11  Posted January 31, 2007 My M8 (310003xx) has stopped displaying photos, menu, info on the back LCD. It does display the sd card and bottom plate messages so the screen is still alive. The camera still records photos, but I just can't review them. Makes it like a film camera... so I sent it back for repair and upgrade, I'm spoiled and don't want to be without it at work, not a good thing.Bob LaPree  Wow that was exactly what happened to my first one, to the letter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted January 31, 2007 Share #12  Posted January 31, 2007 Jamie, out of curiosity, what happens if you simply reset your camera to factory default settings? If these settings get somehow scrambled, who knows what effect that will have on the camera's operation. And since the M8 appears to have an internal battery to retain settings, you can't do a reset simply by removing the main battery! So you may need to "reset the PRAM", to borrow a Macintosh term.  BTW, if anyone is unable to see the menus, here's the key sequence:  Turn camera on Menu Up Arrow x 8 Set Right Arrow Set  And BTW, I'd probably do a reset whenever upgrading firmware, if it isn't done automatically.  (PRAM being "Parameter RAM" and not "Prambulator", BTW) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted January 31, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted January 31, 2007 Do you know any of the other command sequences? Like how to do a master reset or get into the diagnostic menus, etc.? How did you find the one posted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 31, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted January 31, 2007 Well there is a bug that Leica e-mailed me about when asked about the battery, might be worth a try here. go into the menu and disable auto turn off. leave the camera on all night and completely drain the camera and battery , this resets the camera. Than put in a fresh battery and try that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted January 31, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted January 31, 2007 I see no one's been game enough to ask the obvious...... Â I sure the Boardroom in Solms is asking this question..... Â "Should we have got Panasonic to design and build the M8" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share #16  Posted January 31, 2007 Hey folks--thanks for the kind best wishes!  I did try resetting the camera with basic settings, but that didn't reset the wheel. I think this is mechanical, and certainly within the typical burn-in period for this kind of thing.  Yeah, I should have another one! I'll have to make do with the DMR for awhile  @Guy--thanks for the battery tip; that's something I'll try too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 31, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted January 31, 2007 They did not design the DMR so who needs them. The DMR had one issue and that was the knob that I would consider a mechnical problem. The rest is firmware. I think there is more to 1.10 than we know about and a lot of this stuff will go bye bye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 31, 2007 Share #18  Posted January 31, 2007 Hey folks--thanks for the kind best wishes!  I did try resetting the camera with basic settings, but that didn't reset the wheel. I think this is mechanical, and certainly within the typical burn-in period for this kind of thing.  Yeah, I should have another one! I'll have to make do with the DMR for awhile  @Guy--thanks for the battery tip; that's something I'll try too.   Actually everyone should do this. The bug is the camera can be reading full battery but the battery may not be full and Germany suggested this was to completely reset the camera. This is a firmware bug that they are addressing for 1.10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSee Posted January 31, 2007 Share #19  Posted January 31, 2007 Actually everyone should do this. The bug is the camera can be reading full battery but the battery may not be full and Germany suggested this was to completely reset the camera. This is a firmware bug that they are addressing for 1.10 Guy refers to the "auto off set to 'never'" and let the battery exhaust itself: my kit is in for the fix, but this is how I conditioned the battery, and three times of full discharge. I'll be doing this again after it is returned... now for a month plus of messing about with the mass of DNG files I collected  I didn't have the screen blackout, nor wheel issue Jaime reports here. However, I did have a "false start" once, where popping out the battery cleared this.  As for the static effect theory, there is merit to this line of reasoning... my tripod is wood, and I suppose Sean and others' are the carbon fibre Gitzos: carbon would transfer current more readily than wood, IIRC.  rgds, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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