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Lightroom, RAW and M8: opinions?

Tony C.

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What are your experiences using Lightroom with the M8 (RAW images)? I believe that Adobe is now charging for the software, so opinions from those of you who have experimented with the beta version will be valuable.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Tony C.

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I decided to remove it as I wasn't using it much. Bibble Pro lets you use the same custom ICC profiles as C1 and has greater editing capabilities plus it costs less.

 

John

 

Hi John,

 

how can I set the same profile in Bibble? I must say that I did not really understand the settings inthe program :confused: . I have a calibrated monitor I have to set and of course the M8 special profiles.

 

Best regards

 

Karl-Heinz

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Hi John,

 

how can I set the same profile in Bibble? I must say that I did not really understand the settings inthe program :confused: . I have a calibrated monitor I have to set and of course the M8 special profiles.

 

Best regards

 

Karl-Heinz

 

Just copy the profiles into C:\Program Files\Common Files\Bibble Labs\BibblePro\supportfiles\profiles (Should be one long url but may wrap on screen). They are then available for use including the custom ones from the forum.

 

John

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Any ideas about when Aperture will finally support the M8?

 

Giulio

 

Giulio, I'm using Aperture with the edited Nikon D200 profile in the raw.plist and I'm very happy with it's output. I've kept my original unconverted DNG's safe for the day in the far distant future when Apple will support the M8. But until then I'm finding better results using Aperture and pushing the saturation slider than I'm getting with C1 Pro.

 

I like the UI of Aperture and the workflow is so much better for me than any of the other image processors.

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Using Lightroom for D2X and DMR since long time, results and feeling perfect.

 

Aperture cannot even come close (I also use Aperture, so I know what I am talking about) - and I am an Apple fan, but Aperture really sucks compared to Lightroom.

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Eoin and Guilo,

I posted about two weeks ago the result of the meeting I had with the Senior developer of Aperture. First of all he could not tell me the when Aperture will support the M8. It has nothing to do with the DNG format. Each profile must be written on a camera by camera basis. Therefore, the new camera with the biggest market share (think Canon or Nikon) will get written first.

They were troubled (the developers) when all the Leica users were having problems with their M8's in the earlier days and Leica did not seem to be addressing those issues, therefore the M8 got pushed to the back of the line.

The best thing we can do is open the Aperture application, go to the Menu bar and find Aperture, then drop down to "Provide Aperture Feedback". I was assured that all the feedback gets read. Cheers!

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i'm pleased enough compared to the Capture 1 LE that i've not yet registered C1LE

 

easy to work and seamless into CS2 / CS3. good color and simple developing than off to PS for final

 

i need to further explore the cataloging, archiving etc which is where my workflow really stinks.

 

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Eoin and Guilo,

I posted about two weeks ago the result of the meeting I had with the Senior developer of Aperture. First of all he could not tell me the when Aperture will support the M8. It has nothing to do with the DNG format. Each profile must be written on a camera by camera basis. Therefore, the new camera with the biggest market share (think Canon or Nikon) will get written first.

They were troubled (the developers) when all the Leica users were having problems with their M8's in the earlier days and Leica did not seem to be addressing those issues, therefore the M8 got pushed to the back of the line.

The best thing we can do is open the Aperture application, go to the Menu bar and find Aperture, then drop down to "Provide Aperture Feedback". I was assured that all the feedback gets read. Cheers!

 

William, I've already tried that, made my feedback and like others am waiting for the official support for the M8. But I have learned that Apple moves very slowly unless their backs are against the wall and I'd hardly consider 2000+ M8 users of which say 30% use mac's and maybe 50% of those would use Aperture so I'm not holding my breath in hope of a quick fix.

I have managed to trick the base OS to support an Adobe DNG converter converted M8 files with what I consider to be a more real decode than the C1 with standard M8 profile. At least It gets it into Aperture and then I'm free to push the parameters which ever way I like. I'm happy with the results and at the end of the day that's all that matters, while I wait for Apple to not only support the M8 but support many other raw files which are common to other raw converters.

 

But I take your point and perhaps it's time to send another request and hope they don't think I'm a crank!.

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I have used both Aperture and Lightroom for some months each. I slightly prefer Aperture, except for two things: I always got better results with Lightroom (with a Canon 5D), and Lightroom is leaner and faster, and at the time was more open. Aperture has caught up somewhat in several of these aspects, but it isn't there yet. I think it is worth watching it.

 

I really enjoy Lightroom, but it simply sucks with the M8, for white balance and without the 486 filters. I often get indoor shots with such awful magenta casts on clothes and skin that I can't correct them at all. With C1LE, which I otherwise really don't like much, I can get much better results.

 

I think the field isn't ready for making such a choice. Aperture is too slow and needs M8 support, Lightroom needs some serious tuning, and C1 has an awful workflow compared to the other two. If one of these aspects isn't as important to you, your choice is easier.

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Sorry to say folks, but simply forget Aperture - Adobe is finally winning the race with Lightroom and PSCS3 which will also be available soon.

 

Well in fairness I have not used lightroom since beta 2 and CS2 is only used for 1% of my images. I'll wait till I get my "free upgrade" for my raw shooter licence to lightroom release and then I'll see which suits me better ;)

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Cannot see why people like Light room. I tried it and it is slow and neither a complete RAw program or DAM package. Why not just use

 

1. RAW Package/Photo Shop

2. DAM Software (Iview Pro)

 

P.S> It took 2 days with a core duo 2 max PC to catalogue 65,000 pictures.

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I have only just started looking at Lightroom again. I tried Beta 1 and put it down (about the same time I put Apperture down too!) and went back to Bridge and CS2. I am currently running Bridge from CS2 and Photoshop CS3 Beta, and very recently Lightroom Beta 4.

 

I am not sure about the indoor problems that Carsten is seeing, because almost all of my M8 shooting has been outside to date, simply because I am still waiting for my 486s.

 

As far as the quality of conversions, I think it's doing a pretty decent job. After processing many M8 shots I went back to see some shots taken prior to getting the M8, using my 1Ds2 and 400D (which was my walkabout camera until I got the M8). I have to say that the M8 files are superb compared to the previous crop of shots, and stand up very well to manipulation in the raw converter, and far better than my 400D (+L Glass)files ever did (and the 400D is also a 10MP for those who are not familiar with it - so it's a resonable comparison).

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Dave, I am very happy with my outdoor shots with Lightroom. Try some indoor shots of people with black clothes and report back.

 

Oh, I already have, in ACR (not Lightroom) and have seen the colour problem first hand. It is for ths reason that I am not shooting indoors with the M8 - maybe when I get the 486s :)

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