Guest stnami Posted January 28, 2007 Share #21 Â Posted January 28, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) No can do Rob I am having lamb with the English cricket team baa .......... Â Â Steven I will check out Constantine Manos' work and pick his brain.. thanks... still I am not sure that the eights colour is that clean at the moment not seen much to say otherwise. I does has a tonal grace in the hues........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChrisC Posted January 28, 2007 Share #22  Posted January 28, 2007 No can do Rob I am having lamb with the English cricket team baa  Barbecuing our brave cricketing heroes does seem a suitable punishment to me, though I suspect that the sporting reference is mostly wasted in this forum. Ashes to ashes etc.  I have just viewed all your website galleries and thoroughly enjoyed the disturbing energy in your work. Others in this thread have contributed constructive responses to your query, and as my M8 is still on order I can't offer any first hand experience with the M8. However, I can read pictures, and for what it is worth I think you could take your potent visual energy and make M8 pictures which sing [or scream if you prefer].  I understand the internal debate you are having over the suitability of the camera as I went through a similar process before deciding to dump three excellent 6x7 and 6x9 rollfilm outfits, take a bigger [albeit financial] beating than the English cricket team, and commit my poverty to the M8. I am sure the M8 would positively change your pictures; I am sure it would be a fantastic tool for your work.  Do it.  Show us.  You could get to an even bigger ward.  .......................Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmires Posted January 28, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted January 28, 2007 I think an M8 would enhance your work. I guess it might be the only camera you would need... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted January 28, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted January 28, 2007 I am a RAW Developer/CS3/Lightroom person and have no interest in C1. Â RAW Developer is easily the best raw processor for the M8, you would feel quite at home there. Â It looks like a Leica M is made for your photography (so many of your website photos are dark beautiful...thanks for the link). From there it really comes down to very personal choices. Individual peculiarities have such range---I don't think you're going to be able to answer your questions about color and IR without actually using the camera for a while. Â If you have the money, I think the potential benefit is worth the cost (both cash and time) to try it. Â Clyde Rogers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted January 28, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted January 28, 2007 I'll toss my two cents in - I've typically shot the MP with film. I tried the D2 - hated it. I bought the 5D - it is "ok" but I was still missing what I thought was a certain look or depth I got from the MP. Thanks to Mr. Mancuso - I was decided to get the M8 - to see if his claim of digital Kodachrome had any basis. I figured "heck, I can always sell it if it doesn't perform." I was delighted with the camera the moment I unboxed it. I shot a mix of things. Printed them at 8x10 on my Epson 2400. They only required a minimum of processing, convert to tiff in C1, apply a little smart sharpen in PS and a little WB adjustment. The prints were great to my eye. I shot at 160 and 640 - all raw, some b&w jpegs using my 35 lux asph and my 50 lux asph. Â This weekend some friends dropped in to stay the night. They wanted to look at prints I had shot in the Navajo nation this past December, which were done with the 5D and Leica glass and some Canon L glass. Mixed into the stack were the prints from the M8. They started through the stack and upon coming to the M8 shots - they were stopped in their tracks. They commented on the sharpness, the tonal range and the natural looking color, and as one stated, 'something she couldn't put her finger on', which unknown to her is the Leica look. I never said anything about a different camera being involved. To me this was the 'taste test' and the M8 was the standout. It's worth every penny - I've got my MP with digital convenience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted January 28, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted January 28, 2007 Imants-- Â I'll just chime in and say that from what I've seen of your work (no prints unfortunately) the M8 should do very well indeed. It has great tonal response and excellent detail. Â As for colour, I do have every faith in the IR filter solution. That the camera is IR sensitve is absolutely true; but it's not *that* IR sensitive in my opinion. Â Not every lighting setup has a lot of IR in it either; so that's another factor. Â The colour I've seen from various C1 profiles (which are well-mirrored in Raw Developer on the Mac) has convinced me that with the appropriate filter the colour will be reasonably neutral and--this is the important thing to me--and very pleasing to the eye, in that the color depth, combined with the DR and detail, make this a great camera to use. Â I wish there was a way for people to try these out before they buy them, but after working with this since November, I'm still amazed by the results and confident in the technology. Oh, and I still use an "un-fixed" M8; I will have to "pull the trigger" and send it to Solms in the next week, but I will miss the thing like crazy. Funny I didn't feel that way when my 1ds2 went to CPS for a couple of weeks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 29, 2007 Share #27  Posted January 29, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks to all that chimed in and those that visited my site(I change parts of it every couple of weeks) ... the m8 and a 16/18/21 TE are still scarce as hen's teeth in Australia... gives me time to think about it, generally the brain box says yep so I will eventually head that way.... not desperate  ps got the roof completed today another stinking hot day as usual Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 29, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted January 29, 2007 well the roof will give you somewhere to sit when the flood comes Imants Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Metroman Posted January 29, 2007 Share #29  Posted January 29, 2007 Imants  I see you tottering on the brink! However, as you say you are in no rush so could you not hire one at some point to see how you both get on. It's a lot cheaper than getting one and finding out you are incompatible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 29, 2007 Share #30  Posted January 29, 2007 Imants I see you tottering on the brink! However, as you say you are in no rush so could you not hire one at some point to see how you both get on. It's a lot cheaper than getting one and finding out you are incompatible.  Do you know of any place that rents them? As it is it seems hard enough to even buy them.....Maybe some forum member in the neighbourhood could supply a shooting opportunity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 29, 2007 Share #31 Â Posted January 29, 2007 I was lucky enough to be able to try out the M8 last weekend. Its certainly very intuitive in terms of handling, which I think would suit your style of photography well. Â However the M is rather different from most of your exisiting kit - the XA comes nearest I guess, and then there's the matter of lenses. Â If the M8 isn't available for hire, maybe you can get hold of a film M for a few days to see how you get on with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 29, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted January 29, 2007 I had a m4 to say the least never enjoyed it at all, found it clumsy................................ I love the point and shoot style........ wide DOF, f5.6 - f11, spot metering and needs to run at 1600iso. and about 28mm plus 46mm.........easy in film camers not so digitally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 29, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted January 29, 2007 Imants if you didnt use M8 what would you intend to use then ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 29, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted January 29, 2007 bugger if I know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 29, 2007 Share #35  Posted January 29, 2007 well you've got until like May or so before you need to make a decision no harm taking some time see what shakes out of the PMA which is in March  a little bird tells me .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmires Posted January 29, 2007 Share #36 Â Posted January 29, 2007 If you didn't enjoy the M4 at all, I do not think the M8 would work for you. Not in terms of handling anyway...not exactly a point and shoot. With a short lens @ f5.5-f11, you wouldn't have to worry about focusing all that much at least. No spot meter though. The M8 is not anything like the D2. It seems to me that M8 image quality would compliment your work, but it would require compromise in your process...maybe the Sigma after all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 31, 2007 Share #37 Â Posted January 31, 2007 ... the m4 issues were loading film and metering, both are a non issue with the m8, save spot metering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted January 31, 2007 Share #38  Posted January 31, 2007 Imants, if I understand what the M8 is about, it seems to me you are likely to like it for colourm but, for B&W, would probably want to use it at ISO1250-2500, as I assume that you don't want the "medium-format" look. Me, I'm sticking with the GR-D and D-Lux 3 for the time being.  —Mitch/Bangkok http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 31, 2007 Share #39 Â Posted January 31, 2007 All things considered, if you must use digital, then the M8 is the obvious answer for you, although there is also the RD1 - which begs the question that if you looked at the RD1 and decided against it then maybe the M8 isn't the obvious answer after all...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 1, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted February 1, 2007 After all that I will wait, reasons.............. * the filter on ther lens close up it is a problem visually and in dim light ( I do most of my work in these conditions in the streets markets etc) * too much mucking around with the profiles to get things right, thern I have to muck around to get things the way I want. I know what it takes to create blotches etc via software * too many niggles with the m8 crop up in the forum and I am pretty rough with my cameras * a pain to get lenses, cameras ( RD-1 is the same) down this part of the thing that rotates around the sun. not many around * I can wait and as long as whatever I use has a very good lens, I know enough to play silly buggers with any application. Thanks for your thoughts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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