jpattison #1 Posted February 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) LEICA EARLY 50mm BLACK PAINT DR SUMMICRON on eBay (end time 06-Mar-11 20:07:30 GMT) Go on, you know you have to have it!! John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jc_braconi #2 Posted February 28, 2011 this plain brass rear lens looks strange for me Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i.ebayimg.com/00/%24(KGrHqYOKnEE1QYZlDp,BNZU8WMePg~~_3.JPG&key=b22c69396c8c8090e0b3611bbf7e24a4b7a481a9a8cfd0e3bad16a6491fcac44"> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luigi bertolotti #3 Posted February 28, 2011 Yes, that a bit strange... Black DR do exist (one is even displayed in our Wiki Section), but I'd say that this lens would deserve a well done inspection : can be very interesting (black, asterisk...) but could be even a 3rd party rebuild-repaint... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earleygallery #4 Posted February 28, 2011 Possibly a chrome lens that was stripped and repainted? The paint looks quite fresh/new. If it is meant to be original, the condition of the box doesn't match the lens..... Caveat emptor and all that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie #5 Posted February 28, 2011 The question is, is this an original black paint 50/2.0 DR lens outfit. These are supposedly very very rare, if authentic. I have seen one from one of the top Leica afficionados (well know leica historian and author). When I inspected it, I walked away unconvinced in was 100% authentic. The back of this lens, brass mount is common in very early Leica lenses, eg. the 50/1.4 Black Paint first version, these are often in bare brass - the very earliest. However this one is too clean. Looking at the photos the white numerals look inconsistent and too new, some un-aged looking. f16 look poorly finished. Its quite easy to fake this lens. Get a chrome DR, strip the chrome and repaint. Also the * looks fishy - poster was correct this denotes a duplicate lens S/N. Also the lens cap is not correct. Leica logo style stamp is too early for this lens. Unless this is inspected in person I wouldn't say this is the real deal. Too many inconsistencies. A prototype of this lens sold at a well regarded auction in 2007 for over 20K USD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doubice #6 Posted February 28, 2011 The lens cap also looks 'interesting'. It is a cap for a Summitar, not for a Summicron. And - Summitar caps did not come in black..... Best, Jan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sabears #7 Posted February 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) be sure...stripped and repainted...Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jc_braconi #8 Posted February 28, 2011 The lens cap also looks 'interesting'. It is a cap for a Summitar, not for a Summicron. And - Summitar caps did not come in black..... Best, Jan that smells painting up to now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
telewatt #9 Posted February 28, 2011 ....Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Summicron 5cm. f/2 no. 1531090 | Christie's regards, Jan 2 Twotone and jc_braconi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luigi bertolotti #10 Posted February 28, 2011 ....Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Summicron 5cm. f/2 no. 1531090 | Christie's regards, Jan Fine catch !!! Opens interesting speculations about painting and adding a *... Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! 1 telewatt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
k-hawinkler #11 Posted March 1, 2011 From ebay: "Question & Answer Answered On 28-Feb-11 Q: The asterisk at the end of a Leica lens serial number denotes a duplicate serial number, not a special edition. These do occur occasionally, and it is this that makes the lens special, even more so as it is black! Kind Regards, John 28-Feb-11 A: Hello, thank you for your comments there certainly seems to be great interest in the lens, sincerly, jdiconsult" They don't say who painted it black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jc_braconi #12 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) They don't say who painted it black. Shintaro may be Edited March 1, 2011 by jc_braconi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie #13 Posted March 1, 2011 Its too sloppy to be a shintaro job IMO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaques #14 Posted March 1, 2011 It is a bit coincidental that the Christies Auction was in the UK- and now this lens- with the same serial number- is also offered in the UK.... could be a coincidence... Caveat Emptor! if not shintaro: Luton? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jpattison #15 Posted March 1, 2011 The seller has posted a new message.. PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE JUST BEEN ADVISED BY A LEICA EXPERT THAT THIS LENS HAS THE SAME NUMBER AS A LENS SOLD BY CHRISTIES AUCTIONEERS IN 2002. IT IS POSSIBLE THEREFORE THAT THIS LENS HAS SINCE BEEN EXPERTLY PAINTED IN A BLACK FINISH AND MAY NOT BE AN ORIGINAL FINISH. WE WILL STILL LEAVE IT FOR SALE AS IT IS A BEAUTIFUL ITEM BUT BIDDERS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS INFORMATION AS IT CONFLICTS WITH THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION WE GAVE. WE ARE ADVISED IT IS TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE TO BE A DIFFERENT LENS THAN THAT SOLD IN 2002 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
k-hawinkler #16 Posted March 1, 2011 Amazing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
telewatt #17 Posted March 1, 2011 Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! 2 rob139 and k-hawinkler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luigi bertolotti #18 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) The seller has posted a new message..PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE JUST BEEN ADVISED BY A LEICA EXPERT THAT THIS LENS HAS THE SAME NUMBER AS A LENS SOLD BY CHRISTIES AUCTIONEERS IN 2002. IT IS POSSIBLE THEREFORE THAT THIS LENS HAS SINCE BEEN EXPERTLY PAINTED IN A BLACK FINISH AND MAY NOT BE AN ORIGINAL FINISH. WE WILL STILL LEAVE IT FOR SALE AS IT IS A BEAUTIFUL ITEM BUT BIDDERS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS INFORMATION AS IT CONFLICTS WITH THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION WE GAVE. WE ARE ADVISED IT IS TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE TO BE A DIFFERENT LENS THAN THAT SOLD IN 2002 ... And this quick reaction opens speculations about the seller and his possible relation with forum and/or forum members... Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Edited March 1, 2011 by luigi bertolotti Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jpattison #19 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Surely, telewatt has already owned up to it! and I am the John in the advert's question area (and hence obviously not an expert!) Edited March 1, 2011 by jpattison 1 k-hawinkler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luigi bertolotti #20 Posted March 1, 2011 Surely, telewatt has already owned up to it! and I am the John in the advert's question area (and hence obviously not an expert!) Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!:p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
