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this plain brass rear lens looks strange for me

 

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Yes, that a bit strange... Black DR do exist (one is even displayed in our Wiki Section), but I'd say that this lens would deserve a well done inspection : can be very interesting (black, asterisk...) but could be even a 3rd party rebuild-repaint...

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Possibly a chrome lens that was stripped and repainted?

 

The paint looks quite fresh/new. If it is meant to be original, the condition of the box doesn't match the lens.....

 

Caveat emptor and all that!

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The question is, is this an original black paint 50/2.0 DR lens outfit.

 

These are supposedly very very rare, if authentic.

 

I have seen one from one of the top Leica afficionados (well know leica historian and author). When I inspected it, I walked away unconvinced in was 100% authentic.

 

The back of this lens, brass mount is common in very early Leica lenses, eg. the 50/1.4 Black Paint first version, these are often in bare brass - the very earliest. However this one is too clean.

 

Looking at the photos the white numerals look inconsistent and too new, some un-aged looking. f16 look poorly finished. Its quite easy to fake this lens. Get a chrome DR, strip the chrome and repaint. Also the * looks fishy - poster was correct this denotes a duplicate lens S/N.

 

Also the lens cap is not correct. Leica logo style stamp is too early for this lens.

 

Unless this is inspected in person I wouldn't say this is the real deal. Too many inconsistencies.

 

A prototype of this lens sold at a well regarded auction in 2007 for over 20K USD

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The lens cap also looks 'interesting'. It is a cap for a Summitar, not for a Summicron. And - Summitar caps did not come in black.....

 

Best,

 

Jan

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The lens cap also looks 'interesting'. It is a cap for a Summitar, not for a Summicron. And - Summitar caps did not come in black.....

 

Best,

 

Jan

that smells painting up to now

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Summicron 5cm. f/2 no. 1531090 | Christie's

 

regards,

Jan

 

Fine catch !!! Opens interesting speculations about painting and adding a *...

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From ebay:

 

"Question & Answer Answered On 28-Feb-11

Q: The asterisk at the end of a Leica lens serial number denotes a duplicate serial number, not a special edition. These do occur occasionally, and it is this that makes the lens special, even more so as it is black! Kind Regards, John 28-Feb-11

A: Hello, thank you for your comments there certainly seems to be great interest in the lens, sincerly, jdiconsult"

 

They don't say who painted it black.

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It is a bit coincidental that the Christies Auction was in the UK- and now this lens- with the same serial number- is also offered in the UK.... could be a coincidence...

 

Caveat Emptor!

if not shintaro: Luton?

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The seller has posted a new message..

PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE JUST BEEN ADVISED BY A LEICA EXPERT THAT THIS LENS HAS THE SAME NUMBER AS A LENS SOLD BY CHRISTIES AUCTIONEERS IN 2002. IT IS POSSIBLE THEREFORE THAT THIS LENS HAS SINCE BEEN EXPERTLY PAINTED IN A BLACK FINISH AND MAY NOT BE AN ORIGINAL FINISH. WE WILL STILL LEAVE IT FOR SALE AS IT IS A BEAUTIFUL ITEM BUT BIDDERS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS INFORMATION AS IT CONFLICTS WITH THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION WE GAVE. WE ARE ADVISED IT IS TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE TO BE A DIFFERENT LENS THAN THAT SOLD IN 2002

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The seller has posted a new message..

PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE JUST BEEN ADVISED BY A LEICA EXPERT THAT THIS LENS HAS THE SAME NUMBER AS A LENS SOLD BY CHRISTIES AUCTIONEERS IN 2002. IT IS POSSIBLE THEREFORE THAT THIS LENS HAS SINCE BEEN EXPERTLY PAINTED IN A BLACK FINISH AND MAY NOT BE AN ORIGINAL FINISH. WE WILL STILL LEAVE IT FOR SALE AS IT IS A BEAUTIFUL ITEM BUT BIDDERS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS INFORMATION AS IT CONFLICTS WITH THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION WE GAVE. WE ARE ADVISED IT IS TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE TO BE A DIFFERENT LENS THAN THAT SOLD IN 2002

 

... And this quick reaction opens speculations about the seller and his possible relation with forum and/or forum members...

Edited by luigi bertolotti

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Surely, telewatt has already owned up to it!

 

and I am the John in the advert's question area (and hence obviously not an expert!)

Edited by jpattison

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