innerimager Posted January 25, 2007 Share #1 Posted January 25, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'll be using my discount for one of these lenses. People seem to like them both a great deal! I'm not concerned with weight, just image quality characteristics. Does anyone have experience with both, especially on the M8? thanks....peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eronald Posted January 25, 2007 Share #2 Posted January 25, 2007 I'll be using my discount for one of these lenses. People seem to like them both a great deal! I'm not concerned with weight, just image quality characteristics. Does anyone have experience with both, especially on the M8? thanks....peter At the moment the battered Lux 75 I bought cheap with the M8 is my only lens on the M8. The Lux is a soft and gentle lens when open until F4, it gets sharp when stopped down. Hard to focus exactly on the M8. Main issue on the M8 handheld is camera shake. I have a habit of using this focal length reasonably open (F4), it's my style. Bokeh is exceptional. If you mainly need sharp you might decide to use something else. I don't really care. This lens is considered one of the least sharp in the Leica range, but that range is exceptional and in practice camera shake will be worse than any lens unsharpness, so who cares ? Summary - good portrait lens. Edmund Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arminw Posted January 25, 2007 Share #3 Posted January 25, 2007 I can only say my 75mm Summicron-M is perfect and very sharp indeed . Keeping in mind that you can set the ISO on the M8 accordingly you don't really need to go for the 1 stop faster lens. It's also the later lens if I am correct . Greetings Armin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami G Posted January 25, 2007 Share #4 Posted January 25, 2007 my first post here, got my M8 silver an hour ago, battery is charging now... I have the 75 lux and was using it on Leica M for years and in the last two years on R-D1. The lens is razor sharp and very sharp even when wide open. I don't know how anybody could claim otherwise. It is much sharper than my Canon L 85 1.2, I never found the 50 cron any sharper. Apparently, the 75 cron is sharper, I never tried one and never felt the need to. The lux is one of my favorite lenses. It has many very unique characteristics but it definitely does not have any problem with its sharpness. it is very hard to focus when wide open so if you have any problem with your rangefinder's alingment you will not get a sharp image. that will show in close focus even at 2.8, so that might be the source of the problem. It is a very demanding lens, no doubt. But I got pictures with it at 1.4 which are unbelivably sharp. BTW, check the MTF, if you want more objective data. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 25, 2007 Share #5 Posted January 25, 2007 The Summilux is my favorite lens. I use it about 40% of the time.It is magically three-dimensional. The Summicron is to good-harsh for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted January 25, 2007 Share #6 Posted January 25, 2007 Peter, I can offer the other perspective - I got a new 75 cron with my M8 and am very pleased with it. Its not tooo large or heavy and is nicely sharp at the apertures I've used. Edmund is right about shake. You need to remember the magnifying effect of the 75mm. But I guess thats the same for both the cron and the lux. The image below was taken with the 75 cron 1/90 sec at 1250 iso Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/14442-75-cron-vs-lux/?do=findComment&comment=152649'>More sharing options...
grober Posted January 25, 2007 Share #7 Posted January 25, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have owned and used both. If you ABSOLUTELY need the speed of the 'Lux, go for it. I sold mine as soon as the Summicron was announced because I didn't like the considerable weight of the Summilux and I never seemed to shoot at its maximum aperture. The Summicron continues to be everything I need in the particular focal length. It's a joy to use. -g Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 25, 2007 Share #8 Posted January 25, 2007 I have been using the 'Lux for several years, now, and really like it. With the M8, the 1.25 magnifier is recommended. As neither lens will disappoint you, you have to decide if you want the extra stop. I need it and have used this lens very happily. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 25, 2007 Share #9 Posted January 25, 2007 I have owned and used both. If you ABSOLUTELY need the speed of the 'Lux, go for it. I sold mine as soon as the Summicron was announced because I didn't like the considerable weight of the Summilux and I never seemed to shoot at its maximum aperture. The Summicron continues to be everything I need in the particular focal length. It's a joy to use. -g The Summicron is a top lens - but the weight difference is not that much: The Summilux weighs 560 grams, the Summicron 430 grams. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pesche Posted January 25, 2007 Share #10 Posted January 25, 2007 I own and love both lenses. For me, the main difference is the contrast wide open, the 75 cron is a high contrast lens at all apertures, the 75 lux has less contrast and smoother out of focus areas. I choose the lense according to subject. I hope the two pictures illustrate what I mean. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M8, 75 lux, 1.4, 1/60, ISO 640 M8, 75 cron, 2.8, 1/250, ISO 320 Two other aspects to consider: The cron can focus faster (120 degrees from infinity to close distance vs 180 degrees for the lux) and can focus closer (70cm vs 75 cm). The fast focus has also its challenge - it is easier to make a small error, at f 2.0 I have more accurate focused images with the lux. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M8, 75 lux, 1.4, 1/60, ISO 640 M8, 75 cron, 2.8, 1/250, ISO 320 Two other aspects to consider: The cron can focus faster (120 degrees from infinity to close distance vs 180 degrees for the lux) and can focus closer (70cm vs 75 cm). The fast focus has also its challenge - it is easier to make a small error, at f 2.0 I have more accurate focused images with the lux. Peter ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/14442-75-cron-vs-lux/?do=findComment&comment=152718'>More sharing options...
xjr Posted January 25, 2007 Share #11 Posted January 25, 2007 Tried them both and unless you want the extra stop the 75mm f2.0 is the better optic....and lighter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted January 25, 2007 Share #12 Posted January 25, 2007 Excellent examples Peter. I've had both and chose to keep the lux. I gravitated to M's from the R line and the DMR where my favorite lens was the 80lux. With practice and over time, I have become familiar with monitoring the speed when handholding the lens wide open to make certain that my images are sharp. As others here have mentioned, there is a difference in sharpness and bokeh between the two ... but, I still am sticking with my favorite imperfect perfect lens. Kurt Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted January 25, 2007 Share #13 Posted January 25, 2007 own the 75 lux and love it, but would go for the 75 cron today, since much sharper, lighter and handier !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eronald Posted January 25, 2007 Share #14 Posted January 25, 2007 Excellent examples Peter. still am sticking with my favorite imperfect perfect lens. Kurt Indeed, the Summilux is a perfect imperfect lens - good description. The Canon 85/1.2 is basically welded onto my 1Ds, and has the advantage of being able to deliver soft or sharp pictures according to aperture. I have used it for probably over a hundred thousand frames by now - the camera is on its third shutter. The problem is simply the weight of the combination. Edmund Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted January 25, 2007 Author Share #15 Posted January 25, 2007 thanks everyone for making a hard decision impossible! I welcome more confusing input! Peter, you're 2 lovely portraits speak 2 thousand words, and there is no "better" here, just difference. I do tend to go with a less contrasty look, especially with digital as it helps expand the palette and it's much easier to add contrast than regain lost dynamic range. But both lenses look great, no question about it. best.....Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 25, 2007 Share #16 Posted January 25, 2007 I would love to see a portrait at f/2 from the Summicron 75 if someone has one. Even better would be similar shots, both at f/2 from both lenses, and at f/1.4 from the Lux... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 25, 2007 Share #17 Posted January 25, 2007 M8, 75 cron, 2.8, 1/250, ISO 320 Peter Just lovely Peter - I guess she might not be so pleased, but I think that's a wonderful, wonderful shot. thank you! You've just cost me £1200! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted January 25, 2007 Share #18 Posted January 25, 2007 Lux in low light wide open on MP, Fuji Sensia, 1/15th. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 25, 2007 Share #19 Posted January 25, 2007 frc, is there a picture coming?... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted January 25, 2007 Share #20 Posted January 25, 2007 Uhhh.......... Ahhhhhhh..... Photo, yes. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/14442-75-cron-vs-lux/?do=findComment&comment=152829'>More sharing options...
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