Xmas Posted February 8, 2011 Share #21 Posted February 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) # serial number alert... The latet summicron has been stabe as far as we know optically from 2909101. There are variations wich you bay be interested in Until '94 the hood was detachable and there was a focus knob, post no knob Until '05 ish the lens was uncoded The coating process may have beeen changed sometime If you drop the '94 lens on its hood it is unlikely to be cusmotically damaged - if you are lucky, you may need a new hood... If you get a later lens you can still use a Chineses screw in hood copy on the later lenses, they are cheap especiallyiof they die saving your lens... The previous optical formula the type III is perhaps a ncer lens, in some peoples minds, post # 2269251. It may be better if you need to use an interference UV/IR filter. The earleir crons may be nicer in your M9, - pastel shades are us. But a Summarit, or ZM Planar.or CV f/2.5 (LTM = adapter) are usable, people have even been knows to use a J8 (FSU) or Nikkor LTM, or CV 40mm SC f1.4, or 40mm summicron.... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chris_livsey Posted February 8, 2011 Share #22 Posted February 8, 2011 I (Robert White being a notable exception) . and Fixation http://fixationuk.com/Fixation/Sales_files/Second%20hand%20list-2.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 8, 2011 Share #23 Posted February 8, 2011 I presume you are referring to used photographic gear. No UK dealer will add VAT when selling a new item to a buyer located outside the EU. Used stuff is different because most dealers (Robert White being a notable exception) sell second hand items through the margin scheme whereby the dealer only needs to account for VAT (to HMRC) on the margin they are making. Unlike with new goods, the dealer is not under an obligation to reveal to the buyer the VAT component (I guess to avoid having to reveal their margin) and such goods therefore don't usually have a net price for export (nor can UK VAT registered businesses reclaim the VAT element of the price). It's got nothing to do with being uncooperative. Hi Ian, No, I am talking about new. I tried a number of authorised dealers, and they were slow in responding and generally unhelpful and unenthusiastic - most wanted a deposit or full payment, with no indication of where I would be on a waiting list, or any other information which would help me to make a decision. Not sure I follow your reasoning on VAT - isn't there a single rate, regardless of the purchase price (new or used) or the margin? If the VAT rate is 20%, then surely it is applied to the sale price of the goods whether they're new or used? Certainly that's the way GST works here. If you're registered for GST, you add 15% to all goods and services, regardless of whether you're selling new or used. So, for second hand goods, I can deduct the GST element, but it still won't tell me the margin being charged, as it is applied to the entire cost. Meister Berlin told me what lenses they had, and said they would put me on their list - no deposit. They got me my M9 and recommended the 35 Cron when I couldn't work out what to get. At a time when M9s were hard to find, they had me sorted within a couple of weeks, and were happy to recommend bag options (Billingham Combination), cases (Luigi) and give me a second battery. The camera arrived with a free SD card. Granted, I paid NZ GST when the goods were delivered, but it was still cheaper than buying locally. Ken Hansen sent me the first 50 Lux he received after I enquired, and he had a 21 Lux in stock. I got those in about a week. From a service perspective, I found Meister incredibly helpful, Ken Hansen fantastic, B&H relatively disinterested, and the UK dealers only slightly short of rude. I guess I'm used to the idea that if I'm about to drop what I consider to be a huge sum of money on a product, I expect the vendor to sit up and take notice ... Your experience may vary. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted February 8, 2011 Share #24 Posted February 8, 2011 Hi John If you get a lens from a distributor and sell it on then the tax VAT is meaningful, if you get a lens fron a non VAT registered party (e.g. used) then the VAT rate is less well defined. The difference between the two cases is how the dealer 'recovers' VAT. If you want a lens try the dealers who advertise on the forum e.g. Red Dot,I'm not connected with any of them... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 8, 2011 Share #25 Posted February 8, 2011 Thanks Noel, If you get a lens from a distributor and sell it on then the tax VAT is meaningful, if you get a lens fron a non VAT registered party (e.g. used) then the VAT rate is less well defined. My recollection may be faulty (I haven't lived in the UK for 20 years), so this may be influenced by how GST works here. If you are not registered for VAT, then you pay a VAT inclusive retail price, and you do not charge VAT if you sell the product. The market price is effectively the VAT inclusive price. Whether you buy from a distributor or privately, the VAT is actually irrelevant (unless you are purchasing for export). If you are registered for VAT, then you can claim the VAT element back. If you then sell, you are expected to charge for the VAT, or at least account for it in your tax return. As you say, things get interesting when a person registered for VAT purchases a second hand lens from a person who is not registered for VAT. Under our rules, you can claim "deemed" VAT on those second hand goods, even though the vendor is not charging for it. As I recall, the UK system is similar, but I may be wrong. Sorry, we seem to have gone up a bit of a blind alley. It is relevant, however, in cross border transactions - arguably, a second hand lens purchased on eBay and imported into the EU attracts VAT. If you are a professional photographer, you can claim VAT on the second hand goods under a specific provision, even though the price did not include VAT. I would guess that most second hand goods imports get missed, and some new ones get missed as well. Here it is the shipping company (DHL, UPS, TNT, FedEx) which picks up the GST, and they simply pass it on to the Revenue. The reason for raising all this is that while Leica (much like Apple) tries to maintain a global price for its products, if you strip out the sales tax and compare export prices, you can achieve quite substantial savings with exchange rate variations. I got my M9 and 35 Cron for less than the local cost of a body only, including paying local GST on import. One of the great benefits of the GATT. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 8, 2011 Share #26 Posted February 8, 2011 Not sure I follow your reasoning on VAT The Margin Scheme. All you could ever need to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steem21 Posted February 16, 2011 Share #27 Posted February 16, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yeah, I'm not convinced that means much TBH Robert White for one will let you order something, then later you get an email saying 'whoops! That item isn't in stock!', despite you having paid for express shipping. There's a few dealers that allow you to "order" and then say "not in stock". I picked up a 50 lux just by chance at London Camera Exchange website. Looking for sh but found it was in stock. Called and got the lens. They had been waiting for 7months to get it in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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