menos I M6 Posted February 2, 2011 Share #1 Posted February 2, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was just loading cameras, packing the bag, to start, as my M6 classic's shutter jammed I had the M6 not loaded with film and fitted the Motor-M to the M6 classic, to check out the handling, if I liked it (usually only use the Motor-M with the M7). I dry fired the camera not loaded with film @ 1/1000, when the shutter jammed. When I look at the camera from the front, I can see the metering dot on the curtain just fully visible on the right and the shutter curtain seam visible on the left side. I did not try hamfisting something, but I can feel, that the film advance lever let's not advance (of course). The shutter button can be freely, normally depressed, as if the camera is not advanced and cocked. The camera worked flawlessly at all speeds, I regularly use (1/15 − 1/1000) before. I could detect nothing wrong with it before this happened. This is too bad. In a quick operation, I adjusted the RF on my M7 (the reason, why I used the M6 for the last days on holiday photo shoot assignment). I fixed the M7, loaded, fitted Motor-M and just hope, the quick adjust is spot on. I will see, when the film is developed (doing a lot of low light, close focus, low shutter speed, wide open shots ) Anyone knows, what I can check, do about the M6 shutter (please no "send to Solms" replies, as this is the obvious last way out). Any pointers to jammed Leica M shutter speed read ups are welcome. Off, to shoot now … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted February 2, 2011 Share #2 Posted February 2, 2011 Have you removed the winder? Have you moved across the rewind button to free the take up clutch? Just a couple of thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted February 2, 2011 Share #3 Posted February 2, 2011 After you do Andy's suggestions if they dont work leave it in a cool airing cupboard overnight, it this fixes it you only need a CLA. Then send it to any reputable 3rd party Leica camera person local to you. Solms will charga a lot more, lake longer. What you need is an M9 - it needs to go back to Solms. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted February 2, 2011 Share #4 Posted February 2, 2011 Take the winder off. Somehow it is not installed correctly or working correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share #5 Posted February 2, 2011 Thanks a lot guys! Andy, your suggestion solved the issue. I removed the winder already. The moment, I pushed the film rewind lever back into the upright position, the shutter has been freed. Everything is running perfectly fine again now ;-) Now, that the M6 is running as usual again, I really would like, to understand exactly, what happened. Does anybody have a pointer for me, to read up on a detailed sequence of camera operation in very detail? This has been my first and one and only sort of malfunction in a year of using Leica M cameras - likely induced by user error. What did I do wrong? Can dry firing the M6 with Motor-M cause issues? Are there any no no's with the Motor-M, other than following normal procedures, to release tension, when removing the motor after rewinding an exposed film? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhild Posted February 12, 2011 Share #6 Posted February 12, 2011 I use the winder M all the time on different bodies but I always switch them off for loading, rewinding or taking on/off. When changing film I always wind on manually after the back door is closed, that makes sure everything is ok. The winder is quite strong and could cause damage to the mechanics if it is released at the wrong time. So never take it on/off when it´s switched on, that´s the best advice I can give you. Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted February 13, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I use the winder M all the time on different bodies but I always switch them off for loading, rewinding or taking on/off. When changing film I always wind on manually after the back door is closed, that makes sure everything is ok. The winder is quite strong and could cause damage to the mechanics if it is released at the wrong time. So never take it on/off when it´s switched on, that´s the best advice I can give you. Jo Yes, I do that as well. My usual procedure is this: - film is fully exposed - Motor-M off - rewind lever - rewind film - check film advance, if fully advanced last frame (often, only a half frame is advanced) - click the shutter once - remove Motor-M - remove film - load new film (I mostly wind on just once with the pressure plate closed) - attach Motor-M - advance to frame −1 manually and check rewind crank, if everything is fine - switch Motor-M on (I use it almost exclusively in "I") - shoot I do not understand exactly, what happened with the M6. Most people, I know would say " forget about it - doesn't matter, the camera works after all", but I am a persistent guy, who always want's to understand and learn everything. That's how I do learn things and collect experience - never let go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted March 13, 2011 This cannot be - exactly the same happened today with my M7 + Motor-M. I inspected the M7 thoroughly and it is sure, that the camera is just not 100% advanced. The shutter release button cannot be depressed, as the release disc under the take up spool has it's open slot not in the correct position, to free the shutter release arm. The shutter curtain is visually in the correct wound position though (compared to what my MP curtain looks like, when fully wound). The advance lever cannot be advanced. I am out at this point. If there are no further ideas, how to resurrect the M7 in this status, it is off to Solms. This gives me not exactly a confident feeling with using the Motor-M and the film bodies. Something is really finicky about this combination (or do these motors need a perfect matching in the factory, to work reliably). Could there be something wrong with the Motor-M? This can't be a coincidence with two different bodies, the same issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted March 13, 2011 Share #9 Posted March 13, 2011 Something is really finicky about this combination. Could there be something wrong with the Motor-M? This can't be a coincidence with two different bodies, the same issue. I was chatting to Leica repair specialist Malcolm Taylor and when I mentioned my sticky shutter release on the MP (now repaired and perfect by a Solms CLA) the first thing he asked was if I'd had a motor on it. He went on to imply that there'd been a lot of problems associated with them. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 14, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted March 14, 2011 Pete, that is not very motivating. My confidence in the Motor-M is gone. If the Motor-M is working properly, one has to follow certain rules already, to not wear out/ damage something (this is not an easy to use and forget item for beginners). This uncertainty, if a camera jams up or not is killing this accessory for me - luckily, a Leicavit is on it's way in the post to me, to have a test on the MP ;-) I definitely want the Motor-M to work properly on the M7 though, as shooting this combo is very quick and nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 14, 2011 Share #11 Posted March 14, 2011 I have not had any problems with the motor on my M7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted March 14, 2011 Share #12 Posted March 14, 2011 I have not had any problems with the motor on my M7. Hi Andy & Menos Your serial numbers may be useful M6 & M7 123xxx motor 456yyy Please... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 14, 2011 Share #13 Posted March 14, 2011 My M7 SN is 2786xxx I have no idea what my winder SN is, but will look when I get home. I haven't stored it on the Leica Database, I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 14, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted March 14, 2011 Hi Andy & Menos Your serial numbers may be useful M6 & M7 123xxx motor 456yyy Please... Noel M6 SN: 1929*** M7 SN: 2854*** Motor-M SN: 04445 (no. on locking disk) Motor-M model no: 14408 My Motor-M has already the special washer, which has been added to all M7 bottom plates since the optical reader has been introduced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted March 14, 2011 Share #15 Posted March 14, 2011 Thanks, mine are M6 SN: 242**** Motor-M model no: 14408 I dont recall the motor serial number, I'll try it next week... Noel P.S. Leica FAQ — M-Motordrive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 14, 2011 Share #16 Posted March 14, 2011 Mine is the same model winder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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