StS Posted January 29, 2011 Share #81 Posted January 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pity, I rather like this film. However, from the translation of the website, it appears it will continue to be available as 120 and 220 material. Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest reiver Posted January 29, 2011 Share #82 Posted January 29, 2011 .... Neopan 1600 has also gone. Not nice, I will miss that Film. In a short period of time Fuji will stop producing b&w films. Well, there is still Kodak and Ilford, and small companies like Addox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted January 29, 2011 Share #83 Posted January 29, 2011 Be specific: by what measures do you find film better meets your needs? In what conditions, for what subjects, with what equipment? Without specifics these claims will be percieved as coming from a dwindling band of Luddites who can't or won't evolve. And this argument does not matter one way or the other if the overall impact of the photos viewed are, well...... When Jim Brandenburg nailed the cover of National Geographic in 1988 with an incredible *wide angle* shot of his subject, not one person gave a "Howl" about what film he shot it with. If a photographer decides that his use of one medium over the other is going to inspire, provoke, instigate, propagate and or push him or her to get out and make better photos and succeeds in doing so, those are the only measures or specifics you need to know, nothing technical matters if you lack talent and vision. Just say'n bud! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted January 29, 2011 Share #84 Posted January 29, 2011 If a photographer decides that his use of one medium over the other is going to inspire, provoke, instigate, propagate and or push him or her to get out and make better photos and succeeds in doing so, those are the only measures or specifics you need to know, nothing technical matters if you lack talent and vision. Just say'n bud! Works for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted January 29, 2011 Share #85 Posted January 29, 2011 Works for me The reason my photos dont look like HCBs is super-xx was discontinued decades ago. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted January 29, 2011 Share #86 Posted January 29, 2011 The reason my photos dont look like HCBs is super-xx was discontinued decades ago. Noel :D:D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted January 30, 2011 Share #87 Posted January 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I see... yupp i never heard of the word "accuracy" when i studied history of art. The word is reserved for Formula 1 racing team or building a bridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 30, 2011 Share #88 Posted January 30, 2011 i never heard of the word "accuracy" when i studied history of art. Really? I thought there were genres of art dedicated to photo realism, hyper realism in fact. Wasn't at least some Renaissance art built around attempting to reproduce 3D perspective in a 3D medium? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 31, 2011 Share #89 Posted January 31, 2011 i never heard of the word "accuracy" when i studied history of art. Really! So when asked on the final who painted this: http://tollelege.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/thomas_caravaggio.jpg - "Leonardo da Vinci" was an acceptable answer because it was "just a matter of opinion"? - or was "accuracy" required? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted January 31, 2011 Share #90 Posted January 31, 2011 You all can deny ally you want, but Fuji and Kodak are rationalizing film types available and easy access to the public film processing centers are closing in mass. What does that tell you? Do you think the eastern europe company make color. Sorry. Maybe Agfa will come back. When demand falls, the product will be made less. I have had monochrome and color darkrooms for 50 years now. I can do anything in any format and have done so. Supplies are getting increasingly difficult. Try RA4 chemicals and paper at home quantities even in Chicago. Whatever the reason, less film is sold. Local camera shops have very little. I have to order 100 foot rolls. Years ago they sat on the shelf. Calumet still sells it, but they shelf shrinks every visit. So you say film cameras are still made. Just not in Germany. Well name them by model and not a model where they are selling off NOS.. Nikon no, Canon no, Pentax no Contax is gone, Leica R gone. Yashica is gone. Minolta/Sony is digital. Maybe you can dredge up some third rate company like Holga, but that don`t count. I can buy a mew MP leica, but their sales are miniscule compared to M9 according to Leica. Film will get difficult to get and you will be forced to home process. Then paper will become difficult, Then your scanner will break and no parts available will be the answer. And you can not extend the life of todays printing paper by freezing, before yes, not now. Cheaper production methods to blame to keep things simple. One of these days I will have to start selling off my functional collection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted January 31, 2011 Share #91 Posted January 31, 2011 Film will always be produced, and there will always be labs to process. But expect to pay a premium for the privilege. The spread to "comparative digital" will widen and test everyone's preference -- how much are you willing to spend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 31, 2011 Share #92 Posted January 31, 2011 You all can deny ally you want, but Fuji and Kodak are rationalizing film types available and easy access to the public film processing centers are closing in mass. What does that tell you? Do you think the eastern europe company make color. [...] While it will not last long, there are huge bargains in rolls of B&W paper available now. I pay about a penny to the dollar for long rolls. Stock up! . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted January 31, 2011 Share #93 Posted January 31, 2011 You all can deny ally you want, but Fuji and Kodak are rationalizing film types available and easy access to the public film processing centers are closing in mass. What does that tell you? Do you think the eastern europe company make color. Sorry. Maybe Agfa will come back. When demand falls, the product will be made less. I have had monochrome and color darkrooms for 50 years now. I can do anything in any format and have done so. Supplies are getting increasingly difficult. Try RA4 chemicals and paper at home quantities even in Chicago. Whatever the reason, less film is sold. Local camera shops have very little. I have to order 100 foot rolls. Years ago they sat on the shelf. Calumet still sells it, but they shelf shrinks every visit. So you say film cameras are still made. Just not in Germany. Well name them by model and not a model where they are selling off NOS.. Nikon no, Canon no, Pentax no Contax is gone, Leica R gone. Yashica is gone. Minolta/Sony is digital. Maybe you can dredge up some third rate company like Holga, but that don`t count. I can buy a mew MP leica, but their sales are miniscule compared to M9 according to Leica. Film will get difficult to get and you will be forced to home process. Then paper will become difficult, Then your scanner will break and no parts available will be the answer. And you can not extend the life of todays printing paper by freezing, before yes, not now. Cheaper production methods to blame to keep things simple. One of these days I will have to start selling off my functional collection. As I've said, my local camera store is increasing their stock of film because of increased demand. As for how many film cameras are currently being sold new - why should this be a measure of film usage? It's precisely because of the massive number of perfectly usable film cameras in use around the world - most of which can expect to be serviceable after their present owners are dead and gone - that the large manufacturers want to discourage film use, and get more consumers to switch to the infinite upgrade treadmill of new digital cameras every two or three years. I'm amazed again (you mentioned this in another thread) that you seem to think that only Leica and Holga currently make film cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted January 31, 2011 Share #94 Posted January 31, 2011 Really! So when asked on the final who painted this: http://tollelege.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/thomas_caravaggio.jpg - "Leonardo da Vinci" was an acceptable answer because it was "just a matter of opinion"? - or was "accuracy" required? adan and stunsworth, it depends who looks on the piece. In earlier times guys worked to represent images as "photos" i.e. to paint realistic images, it is what clients expected. But if you look later at 19th century, there is photography/film which was used tool to convey realism, painters artists started own dadaism movements. Do photographers have to work only as "realism" messenger? If you look at my favorite photographer Larry Friedlander's photos. Objects were rendered accurately, yeah but what the images tell you? It is not so obvious to look at only technical aspects when artists want send a message at other way. I'm aware that when I say "artist" or "photographer". It can be a difference, sometimes it is not. Enjoy of the image Does it became worse when it is not rendered accurately even if it gets you at your senses? http://mojito.blog.se/files/2010/09/picasso4.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 31, 2011 Share #95 Posted January 31, 2011 it depends who looks on the piece. In earlier times guys worked to represent images as "photos" i.e. to paint realistic images, it is what clients expected. But if you look later at 19th century, there is photography/film which was used tool to convey realism, painters artists started own dadaism movements. I was merely responding to your statement of never having heard the word "accuracy" when you were studying art history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted January 31, 2011 Share #96 Posted January 31, 2011 I was merely responding to your statement of never having heard the word "accuracy" when you were studying art history. And "accuracy" can be called into question when a proponent of a recording medium (film or digital) makes unqualified claims that one medium is "better" than the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted January 31, 2011 Share #97 Posted January 31, 2011 Hi Toby Do you think the eastern europe company make color. Sorry. Maybe Agfa will come back. Ilford used to market color film, but I prefer their mono, liked Agfa mono as well When demand falls, the product will be made less. supply and demand yes... Try RA4 chemicals and paper at home quantities even in Chicago. Some new fangled color process? But move to larger metropolis Whatever the reason, less film is sold. Local camera shops have very little. I have to order 100 foot rolls. Years ago they sat on the shelf. Calumet still sells it, but they shelf shrinks every visit. not seen colour in 100 foot for 5 years, no problems with normal film in 100 foot on shelf or 5222 on cine cores ditto? So you say film cameras are still made. Just not in Germany. Well name them by model and not a model where they are selling off NOS.. Nikon no, Canon no, Pentax no Contax is gone, Leica R gone. Yashica is gone. Minolta/Sony is digital. Maybe you can dredge up some third rate company like Holga, but that don`t count. Cosina in Ja? They do Zeiss and 'own' brand, LTM and M lenses as well, that is something new. And that third rate Fuji in Ja... do 120 folders? see Robert White's site Note Holga charge 281 GBP for a Voightlander Brilliant clone, someone is buying ... I can buy a mew MP leica, but their sales are miniscule compared to M9 according to Leica. & M7 lots of the M9 sales are to lemmings, few pros, they are milking the cow... Film will get difficult to get and you will be forced to home process. Then paper will become difficult, Then your scanner will break and no parts available will be the answer. And you can not extend the life of todays printing paper by freezing, before yes, not now. Cheaper production methods to blame to keep things simple. I only do home processing anyway. Dont scan often. As long as my light table holds out and I can get enlarger bulbs, (note normal ES tungsten filement are now difficult in EU,) I can make up non conventional papers. One of these days I will have to start selling off my functional collection. Be sure & put them on the forum buy and sell pages - this comment is sponsored by Andy... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgray Posted January 31, 2011 Share #98 Posted January 31, 2011 Film will get difficult to get and you will be forced to home process. Then paper will become difficult, Then your scanner will break and no parts available will be the answer. And you can not extend the life of todays printing paper by freezing, before yes, not now. Cheaper production methods to blame to keep things simple. There's certainly truth to this. However, I'll cross that bridge when the time comes. I might die before it becomes impossible to shoot film. Photography might be outlawed in public places in the US before that point. I might simply grow tired of photography altogether before that time. Etc. If you are a working professional who must constantly optimize your photographic business and you need to take action that a film might not be available in two years times, then by all means, do so. If you don't need to do that, because photography is a hobby or your business doesn't require you to do so, then why bother? By the time it becomes too difficult/expensive for me to shoot film on my M, a used M9 will likely cost pennies, many TB drives will be on the market, fantastic LCD monitors will be affordable, and the latest Canon camera will absolutely amaze with it's technology, probably for cheaper than I paid for my crummy Digital Rebel 5 years ago. For the price of an M9, I've instead invested in great M lenses. Kodak has come out with two AMAZING films in the last couple years (Portra 400 and the new T-Max 400). Enlarging equipment is dirt cheap, and even the lowly Epson V700 turns out a pretty decent scan. It's a great time to shoot film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 31, 2011 Share #99 Posted January 31, 2011 @tomasis7 - yeah, we have probably wandered into the realm of what Bill calls "left brain vs. right brain" rather than film vs. digital. At one extreme you have a crime-scene photographer who must be accurate and maintain a reputation for precision and accuracy throughout his/her career in the face of cross-examination. At the other, you have, well, anything that artists want to do with the materials: photograms, collage, antique processes. Van Gogh used green to paint people's faces. A nut, but an inspired nut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted February 1, 2011 Share #100 Posted February 1, 2011 @tomasis7 - yeah, we have probably wandered into the realm of what Bill calls "left brain vs. right brain" rather than film vs. digital. At one extreme you have a crime-scene photographer who must be accurate and maintain a reputation for precision and accuracy throughout his/her career in the face of cross-examination. At the other, you have, well, anything that artists want to do with the materials: photograms, collage, antique processes. Van Gogh used green to paint people's faces. A nut, but an inspired nut. very well said! Thats why it is no need to make a "qualified" claim that one medium is better that other. If I say that films are better, I dont need qualification, accuracy, scientific evidence to prove it. Instead I could frown my face or make a smile like as a baby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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