marknorton Posted January 22, 2007 Share #21  Posted January 22, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's pretty clear from this thread that the resistance between detents on the power switch isn't consistent from one camera to the next. I have no complaints about the action of the switch on my camera, but maybe Leica needs to bring its manufacturing standards in compliance with its design specifications. Larry  I certainly agreed with Michael about the power switch on my first camera (31010xx). The detents were very poor and in fact the whole power switch could be moved slightly from side to side. On a second camera (31057xx), the power switch is perfect and I'm waiting for the first camera to come back from upgrade where it is supposedly being fixed. Whether their definition of fixed is the same as mine remains to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Hi marknorton, Take a look here Luminous-Landscape M8 in the field: Morocco. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
herbkell Posted January 22, 2007 Share #22 Â Posted January 22, 2007 He's mainly bitching about the power switch which, as we know, is fixed in new production and is said to be improved when the camera goes back for update. So his "I've passed my comments on to Leica" is likely to be met with a stiffled yawn. Â I have had both first and second generation M8's and there is no difference in the "sloppy" power switch between the two cameras so you may be a bit premature in declaring the issue solved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted January 22, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted January 22, 2007 There must be sample variation ... my power switch always felt solid ........ before and after it was to Solms for the fix! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
finkaudio Posted January 22, 2007 Share #24  Posted January 22, 2007 Hi,  I had my M8 in Solms to tighten up the power switch and they did a great job.  Before I got this final camera, I used a demo model with a factory "stiff" switch for a trip to LA and found it quite easy to switch the camera on with one finger. But only after I installed the protector that also acts as a kind of grip.  Meanwhile I got my grip as well and I have no complains at all.  I had a lot of discussions with Solms and also asked a few friends to try out the loose switch and the stiff switch on the demo camera. Funny enough half of them preferred the loose switch as they thought the stiff one needs to much force.  Guess it it not easy to please everybody . I personally like the stiffer switch and I think Leica is getting more sensitive to this switch "feel" and will tighten production tolerance on it.  Best regards  Karl-Heinz Fink Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 22, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted January 22, 2007 It might be helpful if the detent at S was stronger than the others. Â My power button is quite tactile, and could not possibly be moved by accident, via a light brush of the hand, as descsribed by Michael Reichmann. My problem is rather that the force required to move it at all is somewhat likely to result in it moving too far. I am more or less used to it, but it might be nice to re-visit the design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustein Posted January 22, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted January 22, 2007 >I don't have any power button issues, Â I think it is far too easy to move out of the right position on my cameras (The one I own and the one I tested). Â By the way: Very nice shots by Michael. Â Uwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted January 22, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted January 22, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...Once it releases from the off position it goes all the way to the self timer... Â Exactly my problem, way too loose... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted January 22, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted January 22, 2007 The off switch is a big deal though - the ethos of the Leica is about it's readiness and "stealth." It should have been a simple on/off switch with heavy detents. How often do pros use a self timer? And nobody, as far as I know, missed it on the M6/7. Yeah, Leica should have been listening to real shooters.... Â I'm thankfull for the seltimer. Lately I have been shooting a lot of static objects (factories and such) in the far distance with the 135 mm. I can't always bring a tripod. Using the self-timer with a 2 second delay is very helpfull to avoid motion blur from releasing the shutter button. And yes, I consider myself a 'pro' and also a 'real shooter' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted January 22, 2007 Share #29  Posted January 22, 2007 Interesting field review about shooting on location. Great images IMO, probably the best I've seen so far combined with some valuable, 'hands on' feedback for Leica. Thanks for sharing  Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted January 22, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted January 22, 2007 Thanks for sharing your impressions Michael. Â I don't have an M8 (yet!) but I learned several things about handling my MP from your article that I hadn't even considered before. Â Your remarks about your lens preference of the 28/35/50 really caught my eye. Essentially you opted as widest for the view most of us prefer for a single walkabout lens on film...35. Â Marakech, Morroco look fascinating...definately on my list now. Â Merci bien. Â Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted January 22, 2007 Share #31  Posted January 22, 2007 >I don't have any power button issues,  I think it is far too easy to move out of the right position on my cameras (The one I own and the one I tested).  By the way: Very nice shots by Michael.  Uwe    Uwe, are you still doing your field testing of the Leica or have you wrapped that up now?  It's been awhile since I've been to your site...sorry.  Thanks.  Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachkebia Posted January 22, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted January 22, 2007 What up with croping everythign to 4/3? is it a new trend? or a medium format digital back syndrome? as for photos, they are fine images, nothing spectacular really, he has one of the most popular web sites around and his images are averege, shame init Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Flatline Posted January 22, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted January 22, 2007 I use the self-timer in low light, and love it. 2 secs is a good time range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter41951 Posted January 22, 2007 Share #34  Posted January 22, 2007 ...Loved your Namibia pics - makes me want to go. Me, too. I've been treated to a trip in May providing it's not sold out.  It was customary when photographing Herero women in their wonderful dresses, both to ask permission and to offer payment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted January 22, 2007 Share #35  Posted January 22, 2007 I agree with the post above. Regardless of the strength of the detents one handed shooting would be best served by having the S mode where the self timer currently sits i.e. the last position at the 'stop". That way before bringing the camera to your eye you would simply turn the power switch until you feel it hit the stop. you would then know that you are shooting in S mode. Also i think that accidental bumps with the finger rarely move the switch back towards off. So once in the S mode you would be more likely to stay there.  I also agree that with a grip on the switch is less likely to be moved.  Just my humble opinion  Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannirr Posted January 22, 2007 Share #36 Â Posted January 22, 2007 Michael (and others), Â My 2 M8's have very positive indents, for what that's worth. Â With regard to cropping - I have never agreed that Leica pictures should always be full-frame pictures (my brother in law also thinks that, btw) as some do. I agree that cropping to suit is great, and the pictures you have posted from Morocco prove that - they are excellent. Â Now my question: any experience with the WATE? Â Danni Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Flatline Posted January 22, 2007 Share #37 Â Posted January 22, 2007 Wot's a WATE? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 22, 2007 Share #38 Â Posted January 22, 2007 wide angle tri elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Campbell Posted January 22, 2007 Share #39 Â Posted January 22, 2007 I use the self timer set on 2 s when using a tripod for static subjects in lieu of a cable release. A very slight push starts the timer and the 2 second delay permits any vibrations to settle down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dent Posted January 22, 2007 Share #40  Posted January 22, 2007 Thanks for sharing the photographs.  Nice to see some real life shots with the M8!  But - no harm meant - I don´t like the pictures much. The people don´t connect to the viewer. They don´t tell a story. You tend to get these pictures on those days when you are shy to communicate or if you don´t invest much time (or sometimes courage) for a more intimate scene. No keepers here IMHO when everyone walks away with the back to the viewer. I like the sad donkey though.  Jochen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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