Riley Posted January 19, 2007 Share #21 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) staged or not does it really matter does it diminish the image as art ? do portrait photographers stage their art ? Â someplace else there was a heck of a cuffuffle about Joe Rosenthal with claims that the Iwo Jima flag raising was staged it turned out to be provably not to be so but indifference to Mr Rosenthal it never mattered to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted January 19, 2007 Share #22 Â Posted January 19, 2007 IIRC, the HCB image of a person jumping a puddle was taken several times before he got that "decisive moment". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flatfour Posted January 19, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Most of us 'stage' our pictures by going in closer or or backing off or moving sideways or higher or lower. Very few pictures are 'grab' shots and certainly I can't think right now of a 'grab' shot that is artistic is well as interesting. There obviously are some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 19, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Very few pictures are 'grab' shots and certainly I can't think right now of a 'grab' shot that is artistic is well as interesting. There obviously are some. Anthony, An amazing grab that comes to my mind is the little Vietnamese girl running down the path after her village just got napalmed. Very, very, powerful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnll Posted January 19, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted January 19, 2007 ... Ansel Adams once estimated that he made 12 good shots in a year. Â That's an extraordinary output by AA's standards. I think HCB would be using digital, but maybe also some film. It was Robert Doisneau (Dwa-no) who shot the kiss. He said it was inspired by a scene he'd witnessed at that location. There was a huge lawsuit years later (in the 90s ?) by some people who claimed they were the subjects, and RD had to bring out his original model releases that he had needed for the Life (?) assignment. RD also said (Although I can't find where) that "If he knew how to take a good picture, he'd do it all the time". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 19, 2007 Share #26  Posted January 19, 2007 Anthony,An amazing grab that comes to my mind is the little Vietnamese girl running down the path after her village just got napalmed. Very, very, powerful!  that would be by Neil Davies i think that was up near Bien Hoa Vietnam  Neil ended by filming his own death on the streets of Bangkok that seems like such a long time ago now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted January 19, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Given the subject matter here, don't miss this thread: http://www.leica-camera-user.com/customer-forum/14026-cartier-bresson-radio.html#post146919 Â Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 19, 2007 Share #28  Posted January 19, 2007 that would be by Neil Daviesi think that was up near Bien Hoa Vietnam Actually Rob, The photographer was Huynh Cong Út (for which he won a Pulitzer) and the young girl was Phan Kim Phúc, 9 years old at the time. Her village had just been napalmed by the South Vietnamese. She was naked running down the path in total bedlam as the clothes were burned off her back. The AP at first wouldn't run it (1972) as they forbid full frontal nudity of any age. After considerable begging and promising to keep the image as is (no crop of only the girl), they ran with it. It will probably go down as one of the most memorable images of the 20th century. (Along with "The Kiss", "Puddle Jumper"...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted January 19, 2007 Share #29 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Eddie Adam's execution image also stands out as an extremely strong image, at least in my mind. Â It's almost impossible to guess what some of the 20th masters of the medium would use today. I'm curious as to whether Ralph Gibson has used an M8 as of yet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 19, 2007 Share #30  Posted January 19, 2007 oh heck William thanks, I got my wires crossed again ! i found this  Trang Bang 8.6.1972 Napalm - Phan Thi Kim Phuc - Hintergrundbericht - Vietnam-Exkursion 1999  Kim went on to survive although it took 14 months of painful rehabilitation to treat the third degree burns that was over more than half of her body.  Kim is now a Canadian citizen and shares her thoughts on survival and inspiration. She has traveled all over the world, meeting and talking with people about peace. She is now a Goodwill Ambassador for the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).  but what i was looking for was that haunting image of Gen Loan executing a Viet Cong prisoner during the Tet offensive, another pulizser Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 19, 2007 Share #31 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Rob, An amazing image as well! I'm sure no one will argue on this Forum that they were "staged". But if you want to talk about the ultimate "grab-shot", my vote would be "Death of a Republican Soldier" by Capa (the soldier is seen falling backward due to a bullet wound). I guess it's authenticity was questioned as being "staged", until the soldier was identified by another journalist as having died on that front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted January 19, 2007 Share #32  Posted January 19, 2007 When threads get too long it's just like people saying, "Hey, how about dem Giants?" [or whatever other team you wish]. This is how this thread has turned out, although it wasn't too promising to beging with. I know this sounds a little harsh, but the level of this discussion somehow is getting to me. [/Rant off].  —Mitch/Lubumbashi Flickr: Photos from Mitch Alland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 19, 2007 Share #33  Posted January 19, 2007 I remember that about Capa's photo as a boy i was facinated to think of what had just happened in the image  one that is recorded as staged was Gen Douglas MacArthur's return to the Philippines i hesitate to think of him as an artist tho ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted January 19, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Who really cares? Â How many other photographers are around today who are at least as good as HCB ? Also nobody cares ..... Â So what should this thread really bring ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviskennedy Posted January 19, 2007 Share #35 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Maybe some controversy over Capa'a photo; Â I've never understood that just because a soldier identified as the soldier in the photo ended up being killed in the war somehow authenticates the photo. Couldn't Capa have staged the photo on Monday and the soldier been killed in the same area on Tuesday? Â Plus, I've never quite understood the little flap of a thing on the soldiers head. A bullet to the head wouldn't cause this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted January 19, 2007 Share #36 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Who really cares? Â How many other photographers are around today who are at least as good as HCB ? Also nobody cares ..... Â So what should this thread really bring ? Â Speculation is fun! You know, like "was the moon landing faked?" or "what should i do with my chrome Noctilux?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 19, 2007 Share #37 Â Posted January 19, 2007 i know of at least 1 image from the apollo missions, on the lunar surface that was either retouched or worse there are target markers on the framing of each photo inexplicably, one of the markers is missing on one frame NASA to my knowledge have never admitted or explained this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 19, 2007 Share #38 Â Posted January 19, 2007 It is likely that HCB, Adams, Doisneau, et al are as smart as we are. Surely, they would be using digital today. Â In HCB's case, in particular, he would probably have liked the extra convenience since he didn't process his negs or print them. But, maybe he wouldn't have backed up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 19, 2007 Share #39 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Would Cartier Bresson have used a digital camera today? .. . this type of speculation just leads to meaningless dribble ............................hang on that's how it started Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 19, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Probably not, he already returned to painting and drawing - his real love - before his death. I believe he used a Minilux towards the end, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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