Cruewell Posted January 18, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted January 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've no idea, frankly. Â And since I learned some of his shots were staged, I couldn't care less. He's lost most of my respect -like he'd ever care!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tjv Posted January 18, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted January 18, 2007 Who cares if he would use a digi. Not me. Also, care to share which ones were staged? As far as I know the closest he got to staging anything was waiting by a fence for someone to run over a puddle. His good friend D...(who's name I can neither spell or pronounce) was found to stage "the kiss". But who cares about that anyway? W. Eugene Smith staged a lot of his shots but I'd be the last to discount his contribution to and mastery of photojournalism. WIthout him we wouldn't have many important documents and testiments. TIm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruewell Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share #3 Â Posted January 18, 2007 It's that kiss photo I read had been staged. Is that Cartier bresson? For me, knowing it's staged kills a lot of what attracts me in that kind of picture. It's a personal thing, though. And then I get to thinking, who said he waited for hours for the person to jump over the puddle? Himself? The original stager??? Oooooh I can see his nose growing!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 18, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted January 18, 2007 He's dead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted January 18, 2007 Why not? He used the most modern technology of his day.... Ansel Adams is known to have said a year before his death (and this was really farsighted, given the very rudimentary stage digital was in then): "If I were to start over, I would shoot digital". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 18, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted January 18, 2007 If Cartier-Bresson was still alive, would he be posting weird posts on a forum or taking pictures? Â Ansel Adams once estimated that he made 12 good shots in a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruewell Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share #7 Â Posted January 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) 12 good shots per year allow for plenty of forum posting. Â So if I dig into my scant film archives and find an average of 13 good shots per year, would that make me a better photographer than Ansel Adams?? Hmm... I should start a new thread on this! Well... might as well not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khanosu Posted January 18, 2007 Share #8  Posted January 18, 2007 It's that kiss photo I read had been staged. Is that Cartier bresson? For me, knowing it's staged kills a lot of what attracts me in that kind of picture. It's a personal thing, though. And then I get to thinking, who said he waited for hours for the person to jump over the puddle? Himself? The original stager??? Oooooh I can see his nose growing!!!!  Kiss is by Doisneau and is rumored to be staged. Doisneau’s photograph where the old couple is looking into a shop window and the man is caught looking at a nude in painting was set up; Doisneau waited the better part of a day for such a reaction from a passerby and made many pictured before he go the right one. Wee Gee’s famous picture of the rich women next to the tramp woman was staged; Wee Gee actually paid the tramp and got her drunk for the picture. I don’t think that the greatness of these pictures is based on photojournalistic truth. There are so many things that have to go right for a picture to be successful that even with staging the odds are stacked against you. the whole picture has to work form many different aspects. It is amazing when really good photographers can pull off such great pictures given the difficulty of making such pictures.  Furrukh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 19, 2007 Share #9  Posted January 19, 2007 It's that kiss photo I read had been staged. Is that Cartier bresson?  Robert Doisneau  See the recent show (and catalogue) "In the Face of History" for his photographs of Paris at the close of WWII and more about him as a person.  scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 19, 2007 Share #10  Posted January 19, 2007 Kiss is by Doisneau and is rumored to be staged. Doisneau’s photograph where the old couple is looking into a shop window and the man is caught looking at a nude in painting was set up; Doisneau waited the better part of a day for such a reaction from a passerby and made many pictured before he go the right one. Wee Gee’s famous picture of the rich women next to the tramp woman was staged; Wee Gee actually paid the tramp and got her drunk for the picture. I don’t think that the greatness of these pictures is based on photojournalistic truth. There are so many things that have to go right for a picture to be successful that even with staging the odds are stacked against you. the whole picture has to work form many different aspects. It is amazing when really good photographers can pull off such great pictures given the difficulty of making such pictures. Furrukh  I agree. "Staging" is a poor description of the process of developing a situation in your mind, shaping it into a picture that works, and making it happen. Eugene Smith provides the full range of examples. Jim Hughes' biography of Smith, "Shadow and Substance," describes many of his most famous projects. For example, in the Spanish Village photo essay he returned to the same village day after day for several weeks and reshot pictures like the women spinning thread until what he got and what he saw in his mind had converged and peaked. Yet the funeral scene from that essay was caught in a few moments. Tomoko and her mother in the bath was developed from a concept and discussed with the participants, just like an advertising "shoot." The Pittsburgh pictures, which finally appeared as "Dream Street" a few years ago, show his versatility in all modes, and the essays describe his thought processes as he tried (and failed) to get his arms around what seemed to be a body of impressions that grew faster than his pictures could capture or than he could organize.  Ultimately, the resulting pictures, and our response to them, are what matter.  scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruewell Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share #11  Posted January 19, 2007 Kiss is by Doisneau and is rumored to be staged. Doisneau’s photograph where the old couple is looking into a shop window and the man is caught looking at a nude in painting was set up; Doisneau waited the better part of a day for such a reaction from a passerby and made many pictured before he go the right one. Wee Gee’s famous picture of the rich women next to the tramp woman was staged; Wee Gee actually paid the tramp and got her drunk for the picture. I don’t think that the greatness of these pictures is based on photojournalistic truth. There are so many things that have to go right for a picture to be successful that even with staging the odds are stacked against you. the whole picture has to work form many different aspects. It is amazing when really good photographers can pull off such great pictures given the difficulty of making such pictures. Furrukh  Alright, this shows hom much I know about history of photography.  That's exactly why I hold Cristina Garcia Rodero (CGR) in such high esteem. Unfortunately, her website is lousy and you cannot see her work from there: :: Cristina GarcÃa Rodero ::  In my biased eyes, her best work is what she published in a book called "España Oculta" (hidden spain) and, even though some of those pictures may well be staged, it's the stuff thats' obviously spontaneous that's amazing. She had the advantage of photographing events where many people were drunk or in some freaky trance, otherwise I don't know how she got away with shooting what she shot. So while I enjoy HCB, Doisneau and Co's photographs, it's CGR who's favorite camera and lens combo I must know!  I have her book, will try to scan some pictures and post them in the gallery or whatever forum. While all the above mentioned photographers have some amazing pictures, this woman's will make you freak out. Unfortunately, being a photographer based in Spain seems like a major drawback in terms of ever becoming internationally popular, just look at me!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted January 19, 2007 Share #12  Posted January 19, 2007 It's that kiss photo I read had been staged. Is that Cartier bresson? For me, knowing it's staged kills a lot of what attracts me in that kind of picture. It's a personal thing, though. And then I get to thinking, who said he waited for hours for the person to jump over the puddle? Himself? The original stager??? Oooooh I can see his nose growing!!!!  Please get ur facts right - Kiss in Front of City Hall is by Doisneau, not HCB! The king himself is rolling in his grave now  And also, waiting for something to happen is THE technique to get street photographs. Sam Abell, HCB, Elliot Erwitt all did the same thing.  Garry Winogrand walked the streets but even he too slow down and waited for a man to walk over to a woman before clicking the shutter. (the exact description of how he took that shot is in the book "Figments from the real world", a collection of works by Garry Winogrand)  The notion of walking down the street and suddenly noticing the moment and raising the camera to one's key and shoot is mostly myth. It happens, but that's not how most good street photographs are taken. The key is knowing where to wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted January 19, 2007 Share #13  Posted January 19, 2007 Alright, this shows hom much I know about history of photography...That's exactly why I hold Cristina Garcia Rodero...]In my biased eyes, her best work is what she published in a book called "España Oculta" (hidden spain) and, even though some of those pictures may well be staged, it's the stuff thats' obviously spontaneous that's amazing. This is an unfortunate example of the web at its worst: here's someone now wallowing in his self-declared ignorance who writes that he has no respect for Cartier-Bresson because he incorrectly ascribes to Cartier-Bresson a staged shot by Doisneau which, indeed, has made Doisneau lose most of his stature, in that Doisneau for years represented it as a spontanoeus iconic photograph. After that I have no interest who you consider good. And if you have no respect for Cartier-Bresson why should you care whether he would have used a digital camera today? This is a rhetorical question to which you don't need to respond. —Mitch/Lubumbashi http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sievers Posted January 19, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted January 19, 2007 I believe he would be shooting with a Lomo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted January 19, 2007 Share #15  Posted January 19, 2007 ...I have her book, will try to scan some pictures and post them in the gallery or whatever forum. ...Unfortunately, being a photographer based in Spain seems like a major drawback in terms of ever becoming internationally popular, just look at me!!!! The copywright on her work is still in effect which means that it is illegal for you to scan it and place it on the web: I'm stating this obvious fact because you also seem to be ignorant that copyright laws forbid copying and reproducing work in any form.  As for her, or Spanish photographers, being unknown: that is also incorrect as a few years ago I saw España occulta in many bookstores in the States and Europe. Also, a couple of years ago there was a well-publicised and attended exhibition in Paris of a whole range of Spanish photographers; so Spain is not quite the backwater that you makeit out to be.  —Mitch/Lubumbashi http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khun_k Posted January 19, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted January 19, 2007 I've no idea, frankly. Â And since I learned some of his shots were staged, I couldn't care less. He's lost most of my respect -like he'd ever care!!! Â I believe he will. For journalist, a 2G or 4G card gives them less obstructive continue shooting rather than needing to stop and change film every 36 shots. And changing a formatted card will still be faster than changing film. And their camera bag can be a lot smaller, free from tens of rolls of film. For image, it matters the one behind the viewfinder so film or digital will be regardless from capable hand and mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted January 19, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Cruewell, Â maybe I know you... I am a Spanish photographer living in Madrid and using Leicas... unknown too... :mrgreen: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asfeir Posted January 19, 2007 Share #18 Â Posted January 19, 2007 The kis of Robet Doisneau was staged? I doubt it. Why would one take the touble of staging a kiss on the Paris streets? It happens all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 19, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted January 19, 2007 It was staged. The two people were actors who sued him many years later for royalties - after the photograph became something of an icon it has to be said - and that's when it all came out. Â But judge Doisneau from his total output, not just this one, he really was a superb photographer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECliffordSmith Posted January 19, 2007 Share #20 Â Posted January 19, 2007 Steve, Â I could not agree more. Robert Doisneau was a remarkable photographer. In my opinion he took some of the finest pictures of the last century that I have seen and made an enormous contribution to urban people photography. Â As for Mr Cartier-Bresson using a digital camera I honestly have no idea. I see no reason why not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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