Marco-Elmar 90 and Dual Range pictures please

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Howdy,

 

I'd like to see some Macro-Elmar 90 shots at close range with the goggles and without, Black and white and color. I want to compare them to the Dual Range Summicron at close range.

 

Please note that It would be extremely helpful to know whether they were shot full frame or with a crop factor and if digital or film. I am a film user so my primary interest lies there.

 

Thank you,

 

Justin

[jaapv]

Unlikely you'll see any DR digital ones.. The lens does not fit on either the M8 or M9 (unless modified)

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I have researched the use of the DR with the M8, although I don't have an M8 I came to the conclusion that you could use the lens only in close focus mode, if you try to use it otherwise you will damage your camera.

 

Sincerely,

 

Justin

[Humood]

Unlikely you'll see any DR digital ones.. The lens does not fit on either the M8 or M9 (unless modified)

 

Hmmm if they do not fit on the M8 and M9 then why does Leica make them? is it only for the older Ms?? I was thinking of getting one for my M9!

[jaapv]

Leica hasn't been making them for about 50 years... They are fine on the M3 though.

[tgray]

I have several Macro Elmar photos online, but I can't remember which were taken at minimum focus distance, and which used the adapter or not. All were on film.

 

The lens gets reasonably close with the adapter. It images an area about 3 x 5 inches with the adapter. Not true macro, but good enough for me considering I don't have to lug around a big SLR and large macro lens when I'm traveling and want a quick close up of something.

 

I'm *pretty* sure that this one was with the adapter at minimum focus. It's a standard US stop sign for size reference...

 

leaves + part of 'S' by ezwal, on Flickr

[hoppyman]

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All M9 Macro Elmar 90

With adapter, minimum distance. Cropped by ~ 20%

Spiral Ginger bud photo - Geoff Hopkinson photos at pbase.com

 

No adapter, minimum distance. Cropped by ~5%

Clivia photo - Geoff Hopkinson photos at pbase.com

 

~10% crop

Yesterday Today and Tomorrow photo - Geoff Hopkinson photos at pbase.com

[tobey bilek]

The 90has the bit/snap that all the new Leica lenses has. The DR is more classic Leica image. You will not see a difference on a computer screen unless the person is highly skilled at sharpening and he can post a large image. A print is an entirely different matter.

 

Moderm computer have screen rez of only 100 ppi. Prints are much greater and that is where differences show.

[hoppyman]

That's a bit muddled regarding prints vs. screen and resolution.

If prints are your primary output then for certain holding some in your hand is the best comparison. Web images can certainly demonstrate lens characteristics to an obsessive degree actually (like looking at prints with a magnifier). That is why Pixel Peeping at 100% is an international sport. Only other photographers will view your prints with their nose pressed against them.

View this crop in Original size (100% crop from shot with Macro Elmar 90 with adapter)

Hedge Grasshopper in my garden photo - Geoff Hopkinson photos at pbase.com

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Thank you for your kind responses. I was planning to purchase the new 50 'Lux when one became available but I can see that what would truly compliment my current arsenal would be the ability to focus very closely and show intimate details. Because the Elmar will focus the closest and clearly show details that are unlike any other lens, this is what I've got to do.

 

I read all about these lenses, studied every picture I could find on forums and Flickr, read what Erwin had to say and others and I genuinely believe I'm making the right choice. I cannot afford to make a ill suited decision when it comes to the expense of the tools that I use to create. Thank you for all that I've learned.

 

Portraiture also appears to beautiful with the Elmar if one wants to show character, It would need some softening for a flattering image of a woman's features.

 

While I wanted the sexier and faster 50 1.4, it's just another philosophy that isn't intimate enough but rather built expressly for speed.

 

My goal in lens selection is to create visual harmony through viewpoints that exist on three levels; this is a subject that exists in it's surroundings, this is the subject as it relates to it's environment and this is the subject on an most intimate level, therefore the 90 represents the best choice to compliment my ability to communicate a more complete message.

 

Sincerely,

 

Justin

[tgray]

It's a nice portrait lens. Though it is slow, so it limits it's use indoors. I've got a couple portraits at various distances/apertures, all on film, here in my flickr stream.

 

I bought this lens after I already had my 50/1.4. I do use the 50 a lot more. However, the 90 is a great lens and does really expand on what I can do with the camera. It is an ideal travel lens to me. It doesn't take up much space, doesn't weight much, I have close focus abilities with the adapter, and while traveling, I can't imagine needing a fast 90 that much. It's perfect in that role.

 

If you don't need the reach of a 90 and don't plan on using the adapter that much, the 75 ASPH is a great portrait lens and lets you get roughly the same magnification as the 90 does without the adapter. Alternately, you could pick up a nice film SLR and macro 100 for about the same price and get real macro ability. That didn't suit me because I didn't want a large setup, but if that's not an issue, it's a good alternative.

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Hi Tgray,

 

I had actually found you on Flickr. I see detail up close and I like that. I wonder how the Macro-Elmar compares to the APO. I've read that the reproduction ratio for the Elmar

without the goggles is 1:6.7,

with the goggles is 1:3.

The 75 APO is 1:7

The 90 APO is 1:9

DR 50 with goggles is 1:7

 

So If I want real intimacy with a subject, the Elmar is really the only way to go, add to this the fact that this is the ONLY lens that is specifically designed to focus up close, it seems that this is the only choice.

 

I have no interest in adding another camera because I want the simplest system possible and I don't want to cloud my head with the eccentricities of another system.

 

Thank you,

 

Justin

[Doc Henry]

Howdy,

I'd like to see some Macro-Elmar 90 shots at close range with the goggles and without, Black and white and color. I want to compare them to the Dual Range Summicron at close range.

Please note that It would be extremely helpful to know whether they were shot full frame or with a crop factor and if digital or film. I am a film user so my primary interest lies there.

Thank you,

Justin

Hi Justin,

Here is some links concerning the last MacroElmar 90mm on M7,M8 and M9 with or without macroadapter.

Your opinion ?

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/135981-lotus-blossom.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/119807-african-evening.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/85655-bridesmaid-90-macro-elmar.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/85246-spring-flowers-trio-m7-90macro-fuji.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/83153-chaenomeles-spring.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/83129-cherry-blossom-spring.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/82710-red-yellow-tulips-spring.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/82603-narcissus-spring.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/75374-orchids-winter.html

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/73680-rose-winter.html

 

Henry

[ricnak]

M9 with Macro Elmar 90 at min focussing distance.

 

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I still haven't purchased the Macro-elmar 90 but it's in the works, until then I have another question; Does the 90 work in close focus mode without the googles? Meaning if I wanted to attach it to the camera barrel upside down will it still focus in macro? I know I won't be able to see the focus but there's a reason I'm asking. My instinct says it won't because I can see in pictures that the lens is further away from the focus plane with the googles attached but I want to know for certain. Thank you.

[hoppyman]

No you cannot mount it on the camera upside down without the macro adapter. You need the macro adapter not just for cam/roller orientation but also for spacing from focal plane.

 

It will focus from infinity down to .77 m with no adapter. Smallest object field is 161mm x241 mm

 

With macro adapter will focus only from .76 m down to .5 m with smallest object field then 72 mm x 108mm