Shootist Posted November 27, 2010 Share #21 Posted November 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ed, didn't you say in another thread that your US LX5's manual focus scale is in feet rather than meters? The D-Lux 5's manual focus indication is in meters only. OK but how do you know this. There are 2 or 3 models of the LX and I believe the same is true for the DL. E, U, and TK versions I don't remember anyone from the USA stating that there USA bought DL is set to meters only. And even if they are what does that mean as far as the DL being different then the LX, other then is outer clothes? There are many LX's that are set to meter, EU versions and so far it seems the ones sold in England. Could simply be that Panasonic or Leica, if these cameras ever see Germany before they get distributed to regional suppliers, shipped the wrong version to the USA. I'm still waiting for someone to post the user interface screen from a D-Lux5 as I have from the LX5. With all these D-Luxes out in the hands of public, and statements made as to the differences and how much better the D-Lux is, I would expect a response if there was any difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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farnz Posted November 27, 2010 Share #22 Posted November 27, 2010 ... If you like I have posted all the user interface screen,http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/145657-opted-out-dl5-got-lx5-4.html from a LX5 so you can take your DL5 and compare them. If you find any differences please post the screens that are different. I have asked this a few times with no replies. No replies because they are exactly the same. Ed, Ask, and it shall be done. I've done a comparison and there are some small differences in the screens: REC screen 1 LX5 2nd entry: Picture size DL5 2nd entry: Resolution REC screen 6 LX5 2nd entry: Opt Viewfinder DL5 2nd entry: Monitor Mode LX5 3rd entry: Conversion DL5 doesn't include this entry SET UP screen 6 LX5 1st entry: Viera link DL5 1st entry: HDTV link DL5 has an additional entry: Video Out. So the software is not the same in both cameras. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 27, 2010 Share #23 Posted November 27, 2010 ... I don't remember anyone from the USA stating that there USA bought DL is set to meters only.... I posted the citation from Allendale to that effect in another thread that you must have missed (http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/147967-d-lux-5-setting-distance-setting.html#post1513327). Edit: Actually, no, you even responded to my post at http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/147967-d-lux-5-setting-distance-setting.html#post1513851. I also asked what the various versions were that are listed in the tech sheets, and it isn't that. Has to do with which AC adapter and cord are packed, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 27, 2010 Share #24 Posted November 27, 2010 ... if these cameras ever see Germany before they get distributed to regional suppliers... Now, that's beneath you, Ed, and crazy to boot! Even Midland-made lenses went to Germany before being shipped to the US for North American distribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted November 27, 2010 Share #25 Posted November 27, 2010 the question isn't really about whether you'd stand up for leica or not. it's about whether you would go into someone else's business. personally i would've done what you did, and just let it be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 27, 2010 Share #26 Posted November 27, 2010 The D-Lux 5's manual focus indication is in meters only. Sounds strange to me because even my D-Lux 3 can be set to either meter or feet. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted November 27, 2010 Share #27 Posted November 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) A year ago I was in the process to buy my M8 and I went to a famous store in Knightsbridge, London that sells expensive things wher they happened to have one. The salesman told me it is NOT a good camera and proceeded to demonstrate that in continuous mode it takes 1 frame every several seconds! He recommended Canon & Nikon. I then went to RG Lewis who repeated the test with a fast SD card and he achieved 2 fps ! I think that if you are serious about buying a quality camera (Leica, Hasselblad,Nikon, Canon etc) go to a specialist dealer who knows what they are selling! If you want a camera for snap shots use the internet and buy on price plus the reviews. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 27, 2010 Share #28 Posted November 27, 2010 A year ago I was in the process to buy my M8 and I went to a famous store in Knightsbridge, London that sells expensive things wher they happened to have one. The salesman told me it is NOT a good camera and proceeded to demonstrate that in continuous mode it takes 1 frame every several seconds! He recommended Canon & Nikon. I then went to RG Lewis who repeated the test with a fast SD card and he achieved 2 fps ! I think that if you are serious about buying a quality camera (Leica, Hasselblad,Nikon, Canon etc) go to a specialist dealer who knows what they are selling! If you want a camera for snap shots use the internet and buy on price plus the reviews. Maybe the shutter speed dial was set to several seconds as well? Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted November 29, 2010 Share #29 Posted November 29, 2010 So, would you have said something? It depends. If I was the buyer, I wouldn't stand for my salesman/buyer conversation to be hijacked, mostly because I'm a professional photographer with almost 20 years worth of experience, and I pretty much know what I want before I go in the store. As an observer, I would tend to keep my nose out of it, unless the salesman was a complete dolt, or misleading the customer, or just talking out his or her arse. I have no problem correcting a salesman if they're spouting junk, especially about Leica and Nikon, but I will do it at Best Buy, or Home Depot, or Ace Hardware for that matter, any store. There's no reason to conduct yourself that way in sales, or customer service, blowing smoke. It's easy to spot and it's completely disrespectful. That being said, the world is not the LCamera Forum. Just because you have the ability to give an opinion, doesn't mean you always should. As hard as this may seem to believe, some people don't give a rats what you think. Jay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 29, 2010 Share #30 Posted November 29, 2010 Please explain the really differences between the 2 cameras. Other then the outside shell/covering. Deja vu. Ed, I have said on more than one occasion that the Leica handgrip is a dealbreaker for me. Go on... fit one to your Panny... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 31, 2010 Share #31 Posted December 31, 2010 The reason this thread even started is because Leica had Panasonic make a camera for them which Panasonic sells for half the price. Even the EVF is $250 less for the Panasonic model ($385 vs. $132). Even LR sells for $90 and an additional 2 year warranty costs maybe $100. Firmware differences are mute in this case. Come on-it's a point and shoot. Who cares about the small differences some have noted-ever heard of Photoshop and LightRoom? Defend Leica? I do every day, but where it counts-M9 & Leica M lenses, plus my old Leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted December 31, 2010 Share #32 Posted December 31, 2010 The reason this thread even started is because Leica had Panasonic make a camera for them which Panasonic sells for half the price. That, and the fact a salesman in a camera store tried to "slide" a customer into purchasing something he didn't intend. That happens irrespective of whether or not the "suggested" alternative is as close a clone as the LX5 to DL5. I've witnessed more instances of that in camera stores than I can count. Sometimes the salesman was honestly trying to apply his knowledge and experience for the customer's benefit, but more often than not the salesman (in some cases also the store's owner) was taking advantage of the naivete of a buyer in order to increase the store's profits and/or reduce it's inventory. These days with the amount of research one can do on the internet, it's galling even for a less-experienced buyer to walk into a store and have some sales clerk obviously b.s. him. This sort of occurance counters the argument about "expert advice and personal service" and has helped to nail shut the coffin on independent camera shops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted December 31, 2010 Share #33 Posted December 31, 2010 Having spent a day in an "independent camera shop" the other day, I must take issue with your last statement. The box-shifter mentality is more often seen in the High Street chains like Currys and Jessops. Staff are trained (for free) in specific products and incentivised to shift them in preference to other brands. PoS materials are provided, again for free and other brands are squeezed out. I agree with you about being a "savvy shopper" - there is no excuse in this day and age for not being informed before contemplating a major purchase - but the issue is not with the independents, IMO. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmes Posted December 31, 2010 Share #34 Posted December 31, 2010 Without question. What I'm reading in the comments down here in southern New Mexico could be a number of things. First, I don't have a competent camera store with in a 3 hour drive,that's one way. So I can't get the touchy hands on. I've been shooting for around forty (40) years. Therefore I know before hand what I want and don't want. In the US here is a sales pitch known as, "bait and switch". You are enticed in with a good camera. The store may or may not have it in stock, the salesman will the attempt to switch you to another brand, usually more expensive, but if they have an overstock, try and move you to that item to reduce inventory. Whatever way they do it you're getting screwed. All my six Leicas were purchased used, not beat up and sent immediately to DAG for any service. The only two "new" cameras I've purchased are a Leica C luxe -2 and a Canon 40D . I have a nice selection of EOS bodies, EOS 3s, EOS RS. Some were bought new, others used. I "mated" one EOS 3 to my Canon 200 f 1.8L. In almost all cases the purchase was made by mail. I cannot abide questionable sales tactics or sales personnel. My thoughts for a new year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtaylor Posted December 31, 2010 Share #35 Posted December 31, 2010 In my area there are two major independent camera shops, only one of which "kind of" carries Leica. While I have bashed them in the past for their lack of stock of Leica products, for the most part both stores know their products- very well. The store that carries Leica has one person who know Leica well, and the other salespeople will ask you to wait until he is available if you have a detailed Leica questions. In my mind this is as it should be, and at these locations I don't find any desire to interrupt between a customer and a Salesperson. Now places like Best Buy drive me nuts with all the misinformation spouted by the salespeople....probably why I visit the store very seldom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted December 31, 2010 Share #36 Posted December 31, 2010 if the story was reversed, would you stand up for the Panasonic ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickgrafixstop Posted January 1, 2011 Share #37 Posted January 1, 2011 Sure.....but most folks buying either one of those cameras either know exactly what they want or don't have a clue. There may be minor difference in features (doubt it) or packaging (lightroom?) but there is a major difference in price that to me is hard to justify red dot or not. Personally I hope Leica sells a ton of Dlux/Clux/Vlux/Xlux cause the profit drops right to the bottom line and will hopefully fund new M developments, an R lens solution or something important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted January 1, 2011 Share #38 Posted January 1, 2011 Having spent a day in an "independent camera shop" the other day, I must take issue with your last statement. Bill All the sales shenanigans I've witnessed over the past few decades were in single-location independent camera stores. Sometimes the salesman of questionable ethics was a hired hand, sometimes it was the offspring of the owner, and sometimes the owner himself. In the US at least there is no ethical standard required by law to be met in order to open a camera shop. I'm not saying it doesn't happen with more frequency in the chains, but I've never shopped at them because around here they didn't stock the kind of gear I was interested in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacarape Posted January 1, 2011 Share #39 Posted January 1, 2011 So you have an opinion and have to blab it. Can I vote this vote the most brain dead ever? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 1, 2011 Share #40 Posted January 1, 2011 So you have an opinion and have to blab it. Can I vote this vote the most brain dead ever? Yes, you can vote your vote to be the most brain dead vote ever. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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