sfage Posted November 18, 2010 Share #1 Posted November 18, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) A friend of mine runs an online camera shop. He had an absolutely impeccable Cron 90 on for 600 bucks ($Cad), with box. Business has been a little slow for me lately and I couldn't afford it... until today. Low and behold, look what I saw on e-bay... For 1600 US. The guy has only owned it for about a week. PS: hey buddy! It's been snowing a lot here. The roads are absolutely terrible. A sheet of ice. Drive carefully, know what I mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clearlight Posted November 18, 2010 Share #2 Posted November 18, 2010 Never trust eBay There are a lot of rip-off merchants on eBay now. Used to be so quiet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted November 18, 2010 Share #3 Posted November 18, 2010 sfage, I think your post lost a few sentences somewhere along the line. The dots don't connect. ????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted November 18, 2010 Share #4 Posted November 18, 2010 sfage, I think your post lost a few sentences somewhere along the line. The dots don't connect. ????????? ...I struggled as well, Andy - but it appears "Sherlock" Clearlight is quite adept at dot-connecting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearlight Posted November 18, 2010 Share #5 Posted November 18, 2010 Same lens $1000 more expensive. Rudimentary, dear Watson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted November 18, 2010 Share #6 Posted November 18, 2010 Same lens as in "exact same serial number, sold by his shop to someone else who then put it on Ebay at a $1,000 profit."? or "exact same serial number, sold by his shop on Ebay at a $1,000 higher price."? or "similar lens, at a price $1,000 higher. Original post could mean any of those. I'm guessing the first (as being the most upsetting). I've certainly had lenses sold out from under me, too, (although not immediately resold on the Bay) so I can sympathize. Aargh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted November 18, 2010 Share #7 Posted November 18, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sounds like the phenomenon in the UK housing market that used to be called 'gazumping'! I'm 25 years out of date with English slang, so forgive me if you don't know what I mean. sfage, if you lost the lens, don't cry. I have had two Canadian Summicron 90's, and neither was sharp enough to keep. Possibly one of them was the one you were looking at (at a certain Toronto online 'Pro' store?) If so, you lost little. These days an Elmarit-M 90 is my tool of choice. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted November 19, 2010 Share #8 Posted November 19, 2010 Not sure what the OP's P.S. was supposed to mean. But as for someone spotting a good deal based on their knowledge of the market, and then turning around and selling it for a profit... I hardly see the problem in that. I would have done the same. Too bad you missed out on the lens though. It's a good one, and far better than the similar Elmarits in my opinion. I've had a couple of the late model pre-ASPH German-made Summicron 90's, and still use one regularly, all gotten for around $700-800 over the last couple years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted November 19, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted November 19, 2010 The PS: "our lady Karma" is a nasty, nasty lady. I don't play games with her. I don't like the way she does business Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted November 19, 2010 Share #10 Posted November 19, 2010 The PS: "our lady Karma" is a nasty, nasty lady. I don't play games with her. I don't like the way she does business Huh?! We thought you were talking about a Summicron, not karma. And if you're referring to the guy who bought low and sold high... well, what's the problem? Sounds smart to me. Heck, I could have invented the wheel if those stone-age jerks didn't beat me to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted November 19, 2010 Author Share #11 Posted November 19, 2010 I would have tried to be an artist and used the bloody lens. That's what it was built for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearlight Posted November 19, 2010 Share #12 Posted November 19, 2010 I agree with sfage. The eBay seller is ripping off any buyer for the lens and artificially inflating prices. The capitalist mantra of 'the market will decide' is poorly applied to eBay, where bidding insanity and the desire to stop others having what you want, at any price, has little to do with market forces, and more to do with Interweb sickness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 19, 2010 Share #13 Posted November 19, 2010 Wouldn't you have been just as guilty of ripping off the original seller by giving him less than the market rate for the lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted November 19, 2010 Share #14 Posted November 19, 2010 I agree with sfage. The eBay seller is ripping off any buyer for the lens and artificially inflating prices. The capitalist mantra of 'the market will decide' is poorly applied to eBay, where bidding insanity and the desire to stop others having what you want, at any price, has little to do with market forces, and more to do with Interweb sickness. This smacks of entitlement. OP is just pissed because he didn't act fast enough. No one is ripping anyone off, neither you if you had paid the shop owner less than it was "worth" or the guy who did buy it and promptly resold it to someone else who was happy to pay more for it. There is nothing artificial about it. We can opine the ridiculous prices that some gear goes for, including I might add the many, many thousands of dollars Leica can charge for a lens simply because there are a handful of people willing to pay that for it. More power to them. Complain all you want, but the reality is that something is always worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted November 19, 2010 Share #15 Posted November 19, 2010 I would have tried to be an artist and used the bloody lens. That's what it was built for. Yea, and the guy that ultimately bought it for $1600 was probably quite happy to have it and will now go use it, just like you would have. There's no losers in this scenario, not the shop owner, the guy that found it and resold it in a different way, or the end buyer -- perhaps just you for not being able to buy it soon enough. Besides, if all you cared about was using it and are totally above turning a buck, then what do you care if it's in impeccable condition and with a BOX?! Whatever. Better luck next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 19, 2010 Share #16 Posted November 19, 2010 If you see a bargain pick it up with left hand offer $ with right hand, dont put it down other than into your gbag, with bill of sale.. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted November 19, 2010 Author Share #17 Posted November 19, 2010 Well, the beauty of it is, the top "ish" price for that lens is 1100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted November 19, 2010 Author Share #18 Posted November 19, 2010 But, let's move on to something more interesting. Do you guys "like" this lens? Naturally, that is a pointless question because you might use it for something that I may not, or vice versa. With the 90, I will have "as telephoto" as I will ever use (I don't ever, "ever" take photographs of people or animals). I have tried one with the bright VF on the SL2 and I liked what I saw. The last lens I will need is a Lux 35 1.4 or Elmarit 24. This will round out my collection of Macro 60, Cron 50, the Cron 90 and the Lux 35, possibly Elmarit 24. My site(s) Shane Fage Music Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket LFI Gallery - Neueste Uploads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearlight Posted November 19, 2010 Share #19 Posted November 19, 2010 This smacks of entitlement. OP is just pissed because he didn't act fast enough. No one is ripping anyone off, neither you if you had paid the shop owner less than it was "worth" or the guy who did buy it and promptly resold it to someone else who was happy to pay more for it. There is nothing artificial about it. We can opine the ridiculous prices that some gear goes for, including I might add the many, many thousands of dollars Leica can charge for a lens simply because there are a handful of people willing to pay that for it. More power to them. Complain all you want, but the reality is that something is always worth what someone is willing to pay for it. No, the post was actually about artificially inflating prices on eBay, which has little to do with free-market economics.There is nothing 'natural' about eBay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted November 19, 2010 Share #20 Posted November 19, 2010 Whether Ebay is a free or natural market can be debated. What it is, however, is a global market. In a local store, buyers are competing (mostly) with other local people for the items available. If there aren't a lot of, say, Leica users where one lives, one can find deals. On da Bay, one is competing against everyone in the world - including nouveau riches from Shanghai, Rio, Delhi, Moscow, etc. seeking lenses for their M9 Titaniums - and able to pay in stronger currencies. One can argue that things are worth what people are willing to pay for them - that worked out really well in the American housing market (among others), didn't it? Maybe we are just seeing a "Leica lens" Bubble - that will collapse once the effects of the M9 introduction and Leica's new lens supply problems fade away. "On something more interesting" - I like the pre-APO 90 'cron. On the M, it is tricky to focus and a little oversized (IMHO) - but it works well on SLRs. For the most part the M and R versions post-1980 are virtually identical. The APO f/2 version is definitely sharper and "clearer" especially at the large apertures - but not enough so as to be worth the price difference (or at least the price difference if one finds the non-APO for $600 ). I've always found the pre-APO version to be "sharp enough" and to have a less sterile color and tone rendering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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