lepremier Posted January 17, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just picked up my new M8 (1.9 version) and have a couple of questions, sorry if they have already been covered before...... 1) I have in all my pictures a black border across the top and bottom of the images, left and right when in portrait orientation. 2) I see that the images are 320 * 240 pixel size when I view them in the "Aperture" software. Is this to do with the .dng format. Â Sorry if the questions are a bit basic but...still learning!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Irakly Shanidze Posted January 17, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted January 17, 2007 forget aperture. open your files with adobe camera raw 3.6 or later, and everything will be just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted January 17, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted January 17, 2007 hi peter-these are actually your camera lcd screen previews. aperture doesn't support m8 DNG yet so when you import DNGs all that aperture recognizes is the previews. The DNGs are still stored on your hard drive in the folder with the corresponding date of the file transfer(at least this is my experience). I too am using aperture and am awaiting their support of m8 DNG files....bradley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcRochkind Posted January 17, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted January 17, 2007 The inability of Aperture (OS X's inability, really) to handle M8 raws seems to me to negate the claims of universality for the DNG format. After all, supposedly the M8 does not even have a proprietary format. Â The format is universal enough, I guess, since Adobe Camera Raw, even going back to versions a few years older than the M8, handles it OK. I think the problem is with Apple: They don't actually handle DNG as a universal format, but just treat it as yet another proprietary format. They are probably checking for specific camera-model indentifiers in the file. Â One can speculate that they do this deliberately, either because they are afraid of problems if they handle a format they've never seen in their own labs or because they are trying to stick it to Adobe (or some other reason), or that they do this because they are incompetent. Â Personally, I don't think they're incompetent. Â --Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepremier Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share #5 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Thanks guys for the quick replies...much relieved to hear that there is nothing wrong with my "new baby", especially in view of all the problems that have previously been posted!! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 17, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted January 17, 2007 The inability of Aperture (OS X's inability, really) to handle M8 raws seems to me to negate the claims of universality for the DNG format. --Marc Gentlemen, gentlemen, It has nothing to do with the DNG format. It is on a camera by camera basis. After MacWorld the other day, the San Francisco Digital Photography group had a presentation by the senior developer for Aperture. Hearing all the qualms on this Forum, I basically attacked him previous to the meeting. What he told me is that the team writes these scripts on a camera by camera basis. What will always get attention first is the camera that is eating up the market share (new releases by Nikon, Canon,....) He told me that they can speed things up when camera manufacturers give them cameras pre-release (they never do). Also, the problems Leica had coming out of the gate and the fact that they were a bit slow in addressing these issues made the Aperture team a bit reluctant about jumping on the ball immediately. It was noted in the group that they have yet to support any of the digital backs (Hasselblad, Leaf,....), if it makes you feel any better. I tried to impress with the gentleman that the Leica team seems to be setting things straight. He felt the M8 would be supported in the future. Now Adobe ACR, contrary to a previous discussion in this thread, does not support every digital camera immediately. When I bought my 1D MarkII, it was 3 months before the ACR writers had made a compatible script for this camera. On a positive note, I met the CEO founder for Light Zone software and he felt the need to support the M8 immediately and therefore did! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepremier Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share #7 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you William, most enlightening!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcRochkind Posted January 17, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted January 17, 2007 William-- Â My reading of your post tells me that the Aperture engineers have said exactly what I guessed was the case in my post: That they treat raw formats on a camera-by-camera basis, rather than taking advantage of the special properties of the DNG format. Â Did you get any information as to why they do this? I'm wondering if they have determined, technically, that treating DNG as a universal format somehow won't work? Or, as I guessed, that they don't want Aperture to be used with a camera they they haven't personally tested... in other words, that they don't trust the DNG approach. Â --Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 17, 2007 Share #9  Posted January 17, 2007 William-- My reading of your post tells me that the Aperture engineers have said exactly what I guessed was the case in my post: That they treat raw formats on a camera-by-camera basis, rather than taking advantage of the special properties of the DNG format.  Did you get any information as to why they do this? I'm wondering if they have determined, technically, that treating DNG as a universal format somehow won't work?  --Marc  Marc, I basically had about 2 minutes with him. I thought he might address some of these issues in his presentation but as a true marketing person, ate up all his time with the new features of v1.5.  Remember, Adobe is the company that came up with DNG to help them streamline the process in formating ACR on a camera by camera basis, not Apple. For whatever reeason, I got the idea they had to do it oon a system (camera) by system basis no matter the format (DNG, NEF,....) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted January 17, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Gentlemen, gentlemen,It has nothing to do with the DNG format.! Â True, but what is also true is that your avatar is far too small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 17, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Agree that Avatar is just a tease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 17, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted January 17, 2007 True, but what is also true is that your avatar is far too small. Â Didn't you know, that's the size she is in real life. But she CAN ride that little subway train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 17, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted January 17, 2007 True, but what is also true is that your avatar is far too small. That woman, my lecherous friends:p , is Miss World Japan first runner-up, Rie Makita. She was wonderful to shoot (by the way, shooting in the Tokyo subway, very illegal but she went along with it). Miss World Japan, Kurara Chabana, had to cancel for the bikini shoot at the last moment because her PR person wanted her to do a last minute publicity blitz before leaving for LA and the Miss Universe Pageant (where she was 1st runner-up.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 17, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted January 17, 2007 You know, I would have said that I merely wanted to see as much of your avatar as of Mark Norton's car. Simply an academic assessment, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 17, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted January 17, 2007 You know, I would have said that I merely wanted to see as much of your avatar as of Mark Norton's car. Simply an academic assessment, of course. Â Â Agreed if it was shot with a leica we would certainly like to see the quality of the file but more important the detail that Leica lenses can produce. Â Okay that was a line of crap:D :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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