jaapv Posted January 17, 2007 Share #21 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) One of the main problems is that the M8 has no removable memory battery. For a full reset one has to remove the battery pack and leave the camera for some dys to allow the internal battery to drain. It happened to me once, on a battery-related crash. The camera was fine after the reset. I think the inclusion of some electronics in the battery pack makes the camera more vulnerable to sub-standard batteries, and I feel there are some of those out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fotografr Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share #22  Posted January 17, 2007 My 1.09 version M8 (Black) did exactly the same thing. Changing SD cards and batteries did not have any effect.  Both my M8s are now at Solms.  I'm going to be in Frankfurt in February and I was thinking of visiting them.  -Tim  Tim--How I wish I could join you for that. I'd love to sit down with some of the folks at Leica to discuss these issues. I still have faith in the company to do the right thing, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 17, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Tim--How I wish I could join you for that. I'd love to sit down with some of the folks at Leica to discuss these issues. Â How's your German or would you make the assumption that because you haven't bothered to learn it, they would be fluent in English? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share #24 Â Posted January 17, 2007 How's your German or would you make the assumption that because you haven't bothered to learn it, they would be fluent in English? Â I still remember enough from 3 years of German in college to get by. Why would you assume I haven't bothered to learn it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted January 17, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Very discouraging thread. I just put myself on two M8 vendor wait lists, thinking most problems were behind us. But it really seems like a roll of the dice, and I would not have the patience and tolerance most of you have shown. As much as I want the camera, common sense says give it more time. Really appreciate you all sharing this information so openly. Â John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 17, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted January 17, 2007 I was just asking how your German was - English people are second only to Americans in their reluctance to learn foreign languages. As JFK memorably said, "Ich bin ein Berliner" - "I am a jelly do-nut". Â As for visiting them, there's not a lot to see. Factory tours are thin on the ground. There's a wall display of historic Leica models, the factory shop which has the highest prices pretty much anywhere, a few images on the walls and that's it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share #27  Posted January 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very discouraging thread. I just put myself on two M8 vendor wait lists, thinking most problems were behind us. But it really seems like a roll of the dice, and I would not have the patience and tolerance most of you have shown. As much as I want the camera, common sense says give it more time. Really appreciate you all sharing this information so openly.  John  John--As discouraging as this sounds, nearly every person I've communicated with who has a working M8 says it is definitely worth the time, money and effort. I was extremely upset when the camera stopped working yesterday, partly because I have a shoot coming up in a couple of days that I really wanted to use it on. Today, I've calmed down and will just have to accept that my wait for my M8 will go on a bit longer. Nothing more I can do about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share #28  Posted January 17, 2007 I was just asking how your German was - English people are second only to Americans in their reluctance to learn foreign languages. As for visiting them, there's not a lot to see. Factory tours are thin on the ground. There's a wall display of historic Leica models, the factory shop which has the highest prices pretty much anywhere, a few images on the walls and that's it.  Mostly, I would just value the opportunity to discuss these issues at length with them. I will be doing that by phone sometime today or tomorrow, but nothing is better than meeting face to face.  Surprising that the factory shop has higher prices. Usually the opposite is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17, 2007 Share #29 Â Posted January 17, 2007 How's your German or would you make the assumption that because you haven't bothered to learn it, they would be fluent in English? Their English is quite good (as is their German ) A surprisingly high number of educated Germans can communicate in one or more foreign languages. (see this forum) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 17, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted January 17, 2007 I doubt you'd have access to anyone who might inadvertently not toe the company line and I have to say if any of my customers turned up wanting a cosy chat with me, I'd tell security to give them a brochure, a cup of coffee (sorry, we don't do decaf) and then politely send them on their way... Â The factory prices are the standard German list prices including tax, so no benefit of cutting out the importer/dealer. They have a few dimantled camera exhibits and a few rare items like the R super-telephotos. Â The main benefit would be to see how such a small factory can achieve and maintain a worldwide position of excellence. Think of a Wal-Mart and that's about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 17, 2007 Share #31 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Their English is quite good (as is their German ) A surprisingly high number of educated Germans can communicate in one or more foreign languages. (see this forum) Â Unlike their English and American counterparts. Jaap, your English is unusually fluent... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bap Posted January 17, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted January 17, 2007 I have a M8 since Dec20 (silver) and last week it froze on me so I called Leica in NJ and the tech guy said take out the sd card and put a different one in ...when I did it worked fine so I put the original back in (just to see) and it worked fine again. So far so good. I don't know if this has anything to do with this problem but when I got my Nikon d2x a couple of years ago it came with a day's seminar with a Nikon tech guy so I went and one of the things he said was ...never erase the pictures on the card always format even though the book says you don't have to...I have no idea if this has anything to do with the M8 but since my problem that is what I am doing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill vann Posted January 17, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted January 17, 2007 And if you served them ein Berliner it would not be a jelly do-nut, a pastry but not a jelly donut. Â close but no cigar;) Â Willhelm Josef von Heuser-Van Ollefen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bap Posted January 17, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Bill.....I'm not sure ....is that a joke? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindy Flood Posted January 17, 2007 Share #35 Â Posted January 17, 2007 To follow up: I always format my SD cards in the M8. I don't share the cards with another camera. I rarely delete one in camera. When my problem occured, I had just taken a shot maybe 3 minutes before. I turned off the M8 and put it into the neoprene case. I pulled it back out to take the shot and it was dead. Like I said, maybe 3 minutes. I do have very "loose" detents on the on/off switch. (My on/off position often changes accidently). It is possible that it turned on in the neoprene case. I'm not sure where the switch was when I took it back out of the case. Â I am only sharing this info in the hope of solving the problems. I would not want to discourage anyone from purchasing an M8. It is a wonderful tool. It makes photography fun again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17, 2007 Share #36 Â Posted January 17, 2007 Unlike their English and American counterparts. Japp, your English is unusually fluent... Â That is my background, Mark, but thanks for the compliment. In fluency my Dutch and English are interchangable. It is because I live in Holland that I have a Dutch accent in my English, not the other way around.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted January 17, 2007 Share #37 Â Posted January 17, 2007 John--As discouraging as this sounds, nearly every person I've communicated with who has a working M8 says it is definitely worth the time, money and effort. Â Thanks, Brent. I'm sure you're right and odds are I wouldn't have M8 problems. But I'm a pretty contented amateur with stable D2 and 5D systems, who really values minimizing life's hassles. Â Of course, when the dealer calls that M8s have arrived, and I'm next on the wait list, who knows what uncontrollable impulse will take over. Â John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted January 17, 2007 Share #38 Â Posted January 17, 2007 further to my comment about the SD card used in my RD-1, yes, of course I reformatted it for the M8 (or tried to). Â To keep my contribution brief, I was able to get a few shots from the M8 with a proven card. That demonstrated the issue with my M8 was not related to SD card compatibility. There is something seriously wrong with my camera, an observation that both my dealer and Leica said was not uncommon. Â Another thread mentioned the high sensitivity of the RD-1 to IR. Absolutely! I need to shift almost all of my RD-1 images when I print them, though I have never figured out how much that has to with the RD-1 RAW and how much it has to do with Epson's drivers. I do like the external EV adjuster on my RD-1 though...it allows for quick bracketing. Â Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share #39 Â Posted January 17, 2007 I am only sharing this info in the hope of solving the problems. I would not want to discourage anyone from purchasing an M8. It is a wonderful tool. It makes photography fun again. Â Thanks again, and I also don't want to discourage anyone from getting the M8. Aside from the time it will take to get the camera either fixed or replaced, my only real concern is whether it will be reliable enough for me to use professionally. At this point, I'm thinking I'll only be able to use it for personal work rather than assignments, but I guess that's still better than not having one at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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