abrewer Posted January 20, 2007 Share #21 Posted January 20, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) one can only view images as a member of the forum. a disclaimer at the inital registration would do, don‘t you think so? Yes, I do think that would work. I can't recall now if we have any age-requirement to register here. One would think that a minimum age to register of at least ten years is prudent for the Forum members within jurisdiction of U.S. law. Thanks for the suggestion. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Hi abrewer, Take a look here Maria (Nudity). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Peter41951 Posted January 20, 2007 Share #22 Posted January 20, 2007 This forum is open to membership by all ages; a disclaimer is no protection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted January 20, 2007 Share #23 Posted January 20, 2007 I'm pleased to see this quite challenging image back in place in the forum. This must have been a challenging photo to take, as posing, composition and simply the rapport and lack of self conciousness needed, both by model and photographer make this a demanding shot to take. All in all I continue to think this is a nice piece of work and wholly appropriate to a forum where the members have to sign on to see the pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 20, 2007 Share #24 Posted January 20, 2007 This must be the most controversial image ever on the forum. I am totally against censorship on the forum, unless it is of a personally offensive nature or libelous. However, we should bear in mind that some people viewing this site will do so at work, in an internet cafe where maybe the person sitting at the next screen is a young child, or by people who might be, well, just prudish. Having a note in the tread title or linking the image as here seems sensible. The legal issues mentioned are very murky. There may be a law in the US but if the website or image is posted in another country does the US law still apply? Do we want government restricted web access as in China? Are we going to start banning any images of children say, just in case someone might interpret it as paedophilia? The lines are indeed very fine at times but we need to apply commonsense which I think has been the case here. As to the image itself, it certainly doesn't offend me but personally it doesn't work as an image for me. I don't like the grain given the subject matter and if the intention was for a high key image, for me its not high key enough. Have we had any comments yet from female members of the forum on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 20, 2007 Share #25 Posted January 20, 2007 Have we had any comments yet from female members of the forum on this? There aren't many... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gverdon Posted January 20, 2007 Share #26 Posted January 20, 2007 Have we had any comments yet from female members of the forum on this? There aren't many... Well, at least one, very sensitive, from Susan Lee Wolff, which deserves to be read... http://www.leica-camera-user.com/barnacks-bar/13978-censorship-photo-forum-2.html#78 Gérald Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest user8952 Posted January 20, 2007 Share #27 Posted January 20, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, at least one, very sensitive, from Susan Lee Wolff, which deserves to be read...http://www.leica-camera-user.com/barnacks-bar/13978-censorship-photo-forum-2.html#78 Gérald good comment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipotto Posted January 20, 2007 Share #28 Posted January 20, 2007 Why not restrict registration to those ages 13 and over? I am Admin for a Vbulletin based forum and I have it set up that way. I would say deny registration to anyone under 18. Even less legal issues that way. However that is easy to say now that I am 18. I first joined the forum in 2004 when I was 16. Bottom line on this (nudity on the photo forum), or any other issue, is that the decisions, whatever they are, must be made in the best interest of the forum, and not my best interest, or your best interest, but the collective best interest for the continued success and growth of this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted January 20, 2007 Share #29 Posted January 20, 2007 In the context of this thread, and without trying to be controversial, can someone explain to me how moderators work ? Do we know how many there are? Are they more or less spread evenly over the globe? [ if there are say 8 and 6 are in America we would get a bias re that county's laws]. Who decides which one intervenes in any particular matter,and do they all agree with each other ? I assume this is a German web site and that the laws in that country should prevail ? Also is it still true to say that Leica fund this site at their own expense - surely the sponsers pay for their advertising ? Regards Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 20, 2007 Share #30 Posted January 20, 2007 Time to get back to the the very pedestrian image on offer, get over it guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petert531 Posted January 20, 2007 Share #31 Posted January 20, 2007 Everyone has their take on it. Basically nudity is nothing...my 7 year old looks through my photo books like Roversi's Nudi and thinks nothing of it. It's (especially North American) our fixation that nudity=errotic=bad that gets everything going. We are all born naked. So what. Taking nude photos properly is just about the hardest thing there is and I think I am almost ready to start...all you have is light and form, which is why most are in B&W. If collectively we all got over nudity, it would be no big deal. BTW about 10 years ago the Supreme Court of Ontario made it legal for females to parade around without shirts like their male counterparts. A few did, most didn't. In most cases, male and female, we are so out of shape it looks bad. Ultimately THAT should be the arbitor, n'est-ce pas. Vulgar or not. Of course who decides that...is open to debate. The picture here in question is far from vulgar. Is it a classic Nude of Sieff's level? No, of course not, but it IS good for this photographer's level and should be praised. So the moderator's should decide what is vulglar and what isn't and let it move on from there. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted January 20, 2007 Share #32 Posted January 20, 2007 Peter There's a lot of sense in what youy say ! Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted January 21, 2007 Share #33 Posted January 21, 2007 In the context of this thread, and without trying to be controversial, can someone explain to me how moderators work ? Do we know how many there are? Are they more or less spread evenly over the globe? [ if there are say 8 and 6 are in America we would get a bias re that county's laws]. Who decides which one intervenes in any particular matter,and do they all agree with each other ? I assume this is a German web site and that the laws in that country should prevail ? Also is it still true to say that Leica fund this site at their own expense - surely the sponsers pay for their advertising ? Regards Bruno Well since I found your post first I'll try to answer and probably be joined by Andy Barton (UK) and Stuart Nordheimer (New York). Basically we just respond to posts that are reported as inappropriate (the little exclamation point bottom left of every post), spam primarily. Less often there's a conflict between two members that has to be sorted and the parties sent off-Forum to settle their differences. Fortunately, this Forum has a tradition (by necessity?) of being self-policing and very much takes care of itself in this regard. The mods use their own judgment and ask the other mods for help before they do anything (unless it's something that's really out of the ordinary and needs an immediate response). I can't remember an incident yet where we failed to agree on what needed to be done. Leica pays for the bandwidth we all use here sending electrons back and forth to each other. The advertisers do pay for space, but it varies how they pay: fees generated on click-through links to their sites that result in a sale is the usual setup. PM Andreas if you want all the particulars. He's never been shy about telling us about how it's done. The site does operate under German law as that is where the servers are physically located. There are two mods on the German Forum: Ron Schmidt and Klaus Dieter. And of course, Andreas, who has been admin since the beginning of time. Hope that helps. Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted January 21, 2007 Share #34 Posted January 21, 2007 Allan Many thanks ! Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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