meng8123 Posted October 31, 2010 Share #1 Posted October 31, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, I am not sure if what I did wrong but when I try to focus M6 under sunlight or even under light, I can't really focus because the focus screen was too bright. any tip or thought on it please? thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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farnz Posted October 31, 2010 Share #2 Posted October 31, 2010 Your answer may be to get a Shade from Leicagoodies. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meng8123 Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share #3 Posted November 1, 2010 Your answer may be to get a Shade from Leicagoodies. Pete. Thank you so much for the info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted November 1, 2010 Share #4 Posted November 1, 2010 Pete, Im a bit confused. Mine is a current, I dont have an M6, so maybe there is something in their viewfinder/rangefinder arrangements I dont understand. On my viewfinder Ive never found it too bright to focus properly, and I cant think of very many places brighter than some Ive been to, or summer here. I take it for some reason one bright overpowers the other so you cant see to patch properly, but is it possible one is gunked up or coatings delaminating or something or is it just a featurefault of the M6 design/materials? Ive heard of the flare problem. Ps ... Maybe mine has been pre gunked or I downloaded it somewhere and never needs a shade:rolleyes:? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 1, 2010 Share #5 Posted November 1, 2010 Hi, I am not sure if what I did wrong but when I try to focus M6 under sunlight or even under light, I can't really focus because the focus screen was too bright. any tip or thought on it please? thank you In case you are referring to the well known rangefinder flare problem described here , you can get an upgrade. I had both of my M6s upgraded to the MP viewfinder and am happy ever since. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 1, 2010 Share #6 Posted November 1, 2010 They removed optical parts part way through the M4-2 production run, and subsequently enhanced (put the parts back and hard coated) part may through the M7 run. It does annoy some people, when it is bad I scale focus, it can annoy during a gig if a profile light is in the wrong place. Cheaper to get an earlier camera instead, if it is to annoying, as Solms will want and arm and leg. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 1, 2010 Share #7 Posted November 1, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) They removed optical parts part way through the M4-2 production run, and subsequently enhanced (put the parts back and hard coated) part may through the M7 run. It does annoy some people, when it is bad I scale focus, it can annoy during a gig if a profile light is in the wrong place. Cheaper to get an earlier camera instead, if it is to annoying, as Solms will want and arm and leg. Noel According to Leica sources, the reason for the whiteout of the rangefinder patch in late M-4Ps was the switch from a flat mirror (for brightline illumination) to a parabolic one to improve brightline illumination. In case of the M7 this problem was only partly reduced by introducing a second reflective surface inside the rangefinder. (this info was retrieved from another forum) To my knowledge, with introduction of the MP, a rangefinder with an extra lens has been introduced, which reduced the flare problem even further, if not completely. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 1, 2010 Share #8 Posted November 1, 2010 Hi Juergen It is not just me Leica MP 2003 and independent of web 'rumor' my late M4-2 and early M4-2 are indeed different, but that could be a problem with the late one, though unlikely, it is just like my early M6, either will flare on demand.... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 1, 2010 Share #9 Posted November 1, 2010 Hi Noel, here is the link where I got my information from. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 1, 2010 Share #10 Posted November 1, 2010 Hi Juergen Thanks Good thing it had an En translation, I'd have struggled with my holiday Ge... But that does not explain why my M4-2's and M6 are different, Unless the late M4-2 finders were the same as the late M4-P finders. It may be that the mirror and the 'condenser' are the same thing, merely that Leica ran dissimilar production processes... I'll have to try all three cameras together again... Changing the subject just a little when my M4 went for a general service (by 3rd party service person) for a shutter ribbon, it reappeared with a caveat that they had also enhanced the finder gratis, it was/is not detectably different from the early M4-2 finder. I've tried a MP finder in bad light and it did not seem detectably different from the early non coated finders. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 1, 2010 Share #11 Posted November 1, 2010 Hi Juergen Leica FAQ — RF patch flare I don't think we are off topic too much... but it does not seem to bother me, certainly not enough to send a body that it not broke for a trip to repair person. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 1, 2010 Share #12 Posted November 1, 2010 Hi Juergen Leica FAQ — RF patch flare I don't think we are off topic too much... but it does not seem to bother me, certainly not enough to send a body that it not broke for a trip to repair person. Noel The mask and the condenser lens mentioned in the document your link is pointing to are not the only parts used for the RF upgrade. According to the invoices I got from Leica for upgrading my two M6s, they also replaced two plain windows with two coated ones. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted November 1, 2010 Share #13 Posted November 1, 2010 Happens if there is a light source upper right corner. Twist the camera 90 deg, focus and recompose. I have had this happen one time in thirty years with my original M6. Or you can spend a ton of money and get a new RF put in. Not worth it in my opinion. Earlier and later models did not have the problem. As far a frameline illumination goes, sucks compared to M3 and M2 M4 and MP. A condenser lens was removed as a cost reduction pure and simple. My M2R and M2 are my favorite cameras. MP will not accept the brass film cassettes so my two M6`s are the last I bought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 1, 2010 Share #14 Posted November 1, 2010 The mask and the condenser lens mentioned in the document your link is pointing to are not the only parts used for the RF upgrade.According to the invoices I got from Leica for upgrading my two M6s, they also replaced two plain windows with two coated ones. Juergen Hi Juergen Thanks Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 1, 2010 Share #15 Posted November 1, 2010 Pete, Im a bit confused.Mine is a current, I dont have an M6, so maybe there is something in their viewfinder/rangefinder arrangements I dont understand. On my viewfinder Ive never found it too bright to focus properly, and I cant think of very many places brighter than some Ive been to, or summer here. I take it for some reason one bright overpowers the other so you cant see to patch properly, but is it possible one is gunked up or coatings delaminating or something or is it just a featurefault of the M6 design/materials? Ive heard of the flare problem. Ps ... Maybe mine has been pre gunked or I downloaded it somewhere and never needs a shade:rolleyes:? Rob, I only have an MP so I've never seen this flare either. But I agree that if you're going to find it anywhere then summer in Oz is that place. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 1, 2010 Share #16 Posted November 1, 2010 Hi Peter Organise another outing and you can borrow a M4-2 or M6 to go with your out of fashion jeans. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 1, 2010 Share #17 Posted November 1, 2010 Hi Peter Organise another outing and you can borrow a M4-2 or M6 to go with your out of fashion jeans. Noel Thank you, Noel. What is this "fashion" thing of which you are so knowledgeable? Form Follows Function! Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted November 1, 2010 Share #18 Posted November 1, 2010 Flare is a bit of an abused word. It does seem that this white out is the flare what everyone was talking about, Pete. Like you, Ive never seen it with modern and never appreciated the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 2, 2010 Share #19 Posted November 2, 2010 White flares are out, then? Ah, the '70s... One other tip is to make sure your eye is centered on the finder. This helps minimize the RF patch whiting out. Straight lines, vertical or horizontal, are a good target to focus on. RF focusing can sometimes be tricky in very bright light but I still find it more precise than AF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted November 2, 2010 Share #20 Posted November 2, 2010 Thank you, Noel. What is this "fashion" thing of which you are so knowledgeable? Form Follows Function! Pete. Hi Peter An earlier fashion in jeans was for flared turn ups, bottoms wold be ambigious from me... Bell-bottoms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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