truando Posted January 13, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted January 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I finally got my M8 yesterday. It is a great camera! Â I would like to thank everyone in this forum for their help, their enthusiasm, and for all the helpful test, comments, and solutions that were offered here. Incredible input! Â I did not contribute a lot, but did read most of the threads on a daily basis, because I could not make up my mind if I should buy the M8 or just stay with my M7. It was a difficult decision, and everytime I got my E100 chromes back from the lab, I was convinced I should stay with the M7. Â It was thanks to this forum and the uploaded photos that I finally made up my mind, and I am glad I did. The M7 will stay in my bag, but already after one evening on the street with the M8 and the nocti, I can clearly see where I'm heading to. Â The M8 is much better than anticipated. Not really happy yet with the color rendition in tungsten light, but that will change eventually with new updates. Â I include my first shot with my black M8 and the nocti, ISO 1250, there was almost no light - I could never have taken this with my M7. Â So, again, thank you guys, great to have this forum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bnelson Posted January 13, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted January 13, 2007 I too make my decision for the M8 after reviewing all the posts on this site. A great resourse and thanks to all that contribute. Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted January 13, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted January 13, 2007 Amen Christian. I, too, have lurked here on the site for many months, enjoying the daily banter and appreciating the very helpful information about the M8. I never was really on the fence. I've shot with Nikon DSLR's as a complement to my M6 and M7 for some years and always knew I'd be springing for a digital M, as soon as Leica could get it fielded. Some of the early issues were a bit of a surprise. But Leica has responded well to those - assisted by many of the folks right here. My hat is off to the guys here on the forum who so quickly sorted through so many things so we could all benefit from getting to the essential truth of the matter: that the M8 is a remarkable camera. I've only had mine for a week but I already enjoy it more than any other camera I've ever owned. Â Nice pic, BTW! Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruewell Posted January 13, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted January 13, 2007 Congratulations! Â Same here, but I won't get my M8 for a while yet. Â Nothing like provoking a heated discussion between the experts to be volontarily brainwashed into getting an M8! Wait, did I just say what I just said?? I think it was Plasticman who was brave enough to say it to me straight to the point: Â If you come to the Leica forum, where Leica enthusiasts hang-out all day and night, and ask that particular Leica question, you obviously want to buy the camera anyway. Â But i guess you can wait around and get even more encouragement for a while, if that's what you need before unlocking the wallet... Â I love your dogs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share #5 Â Posted January 13, 2007 I love your dogs! Â thanks, actually just the one on the right is mine, the other one's his best buddy... Â interestingly, my dog always hated my cameras, and would split the moment I'd put one to my eye. The canon?? Just forget about it! But the M8? They both just stood still and watched. Quite amazing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted January 13, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted January 13, 2007 Christian, Â Was that ISO 1250 shot clean like this without running it thru any NR software? I was not able to get a ISO 1250 image with this little grain. Could you tell me more about your post-processing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamriman Posted January 13, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted January 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) You guys are killing me. Mine is in Solms for another 4 weeks, at best! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share #8  Posted January 13, 2007 Arthur  this shot is right out of the box. No fiddling around whatsoever.  EXIF: 1/30 sec, f1.0, ISO 1250, standard b&w jpeg fine, medium high contrast, standard sharpening.  PP: into Aperture, auto levels - finished.  What I find remarkable is the detail both in the white and in the dark dog. Try to do that with a pushed delta 400... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted January 14, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted January 14, 2007 Christian, Â I think I found out why now ... and I just tested the hypothesis on mine. Â At ISO 1250, if I shot it in DNG, the image is, at least, 10-20% noisier than when I shot it in JPG. Looks like the firmware's Noise Reduction(NR) cleaned up the noise quite a bit. Â I use PS/CS2 ACR3.6 to process the DNG and looks like even cranking the Color NR and Luminence NR up did not help much. Â Â Hello Everyone, Â How did you guys handle noise in DNG above ISO 640? Please throw in some light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M6J Posted January 14, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted January 14, 2007 Great picture, great dogs, great camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted January 14, 2007 Share #11  Posted January 14, 2007 Arthur this shot is right out of the box. No fiddling around whatsoever.  EXIF: 1/30 sec, f1.0, ISO 1250, standard b&w jpeg fine, medium high contrast, standard sharpening.  PP: into Aperture, auto levels - finished.  What I find remarkable is the detail both in the white and in the dark dog. Try to do that with a pushed delta 400...  So you are using Aperture ? What about the lack of DNG support there? Are you not considering DNG and doing all in JPEG fine?  I am asling this, because I am currently in a loop where I cannot eie what to use in the future. I have Aperture, but also PS CS2 and testing Lightroom, which I find more workable and useful than Aperture, and it also has DNG support.  But after 2 years working with RAW and DNG I get asking the question, if this is not an overkill, because one can actually post process also JPEGs in Aperture and Lightroom to a high degree, which should be fine for 95% of my needs.  So please send me your thoughts on this, do you find DNG really necessary and your opinion about Aperture versus Adobe PS CS and Lightroom.  Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truando Posted January 14, 2007 Author Share #12  Posted January 14, 2007 Peter  I really do like Aperture a lot. I use Aperture and PS2 together. Before I had the M8, my workflow was the following:  Insert card into reader, import into Aperture's project, work on the RAW files, then open the files that need more PP (which can't be done in Aperture) in PS. This was a fast and convenient workflow, which used up relatively little harddisc space.  Now I have a problem, because I'm not too crazy about C1. Also, I noticed, that the in-camera jpeg compression is not good, the pictures are too compressed, I really don't like them. Also, I think it's crucial to work with the best possible quality, I'm not going to spend so much money on my equipment, then having my files destroyed by compression and noise reduction.  I believe it's crucial to work in RAW with the M8! The photo above was an exception, as I was testing the camera.  I think what I'll do until Apple comes up with an update, is convert the RAW files to TIFF in C1, then import those into Aperture. No other choice. I have about 25'000 photos in Aperture, and my whole backup system is based on Aperture. I need to have one software where all of my files are located or I'll go nuts.  I am not familiar with Lightroom.  Hope that helped...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviskennedy Posted January 14, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted January 14, 2007 I'll just echo that I'm doing what Christian is doing as far as Aperture is concerned. I really like the program as it's saved me tons of time, both in post-processing and in keeping track of all of my images (not to mention that I can fiddle with images, make 12 versions of them and use relatively little disk space). Â Here's to Apple taking a little time away from that blasted iPhone and spending and hour or two updating Aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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