Nikkor AIS Posted September 13, 2010 Share #21 Posted September 13, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Congratulaions Im really looking forward to seeing your film images. "Film is photography" Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 Hi Nikkor AIS, Take a look here M8 gone...back to film for me!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted September 13, 2010 Share #22 Posted September 13, 2010 C Im really looking forward to seeing your film images. Gregory +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigglePig Posted September 13, 2010 Author Share #23 Posted September 13, 2010 Indeed, so am I. For the time being (until I get my darkroom built) I shall be stuck with a changing bag and B&W soup-and-scan at home and some colour stuff processed at a commercial lab. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 13, 2010 Share #24 Posted September 13, 2010 some colour stuff processed at a commercial lab. Well C41 is even more simple then B&W development. You only have to find a good solution for the temperature control (37,8C). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2010 Share #25 Posted September 13, 2010 Is that a fact? I got some flak from a commercial lab about the "unusual" process just today. It is getting harder to get just a develop and scan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmes Posted September 13, 2010 Share #26 Posted September 13, 2010 Welcome back to the fold. I carry a little Leica digital C-Lux-2 or I take one of my two Yashica pocket zooms, including the last model they produced. Weather proof, goof proof and it is the only camera I've ever seen. A viewfinder on the top of the body. Have never seen that on any other pocket camera, film or digital. Normally I'll load a roll Fuji Supra for prints, 12 frames per roll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 13, 2010 Share #27 Posted September 13, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is that a fact? I got some flak from a commercial lab about the "unusual" process just today. It is getting harder to get just a develop and scan. Well the most simple DIY process in the past was C41 monoconcentrates from Amaloco photochemicals. The K54 was able to do 6x4 135-36 or 120 roll films. Price around Eur. 20,- It was containing C41 developer and blix. However no stabilizer which you can make yourself not too difficult. In the mean time the Amaloco factory is past. For C41 you can use the professional Fuji Hunt chemicals which are available by the Rollei Digibase C41 kit. But this kit contains C41 in parts A+B+C and starter, bleach and fixer. A stabilizer is also included. Developing C41 is a full standard process. If you keep it within the limits your result are perfect negatives. All you need is a water bath tempered at 38C. Commercial solutions were Jobo TBE-2. And more convenient the CPE-2+, CPA-2 and CPP-2 processors with elevator. Equipped with the so called Leicht Rollers, you can use them too for B&W development without water. Only do not use B&W high acutance developers in rotary development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 13, 2010 Share #28 Posted September 13, 2010 If you rank me there - you make a mistake. And if so, I resent the use of the word "harry" as soon as somebody tries to present a balanced view. Apologies for the choice of 'harry' in this context: I was in a rush, and the appropriate word just wouldn't come. Anyway, I didn't mean it to apply to you specifically, or to this forum exclusively. I'm just vaguely amused (and frustrated) by the nervousness of the digital crowd in general. The film crowd seem pretty happy in their skins, used to the general attrition of digital - the gradual dripping away of film-users due to various reasons, such as convenience, or speed, or the death of Kodachrome. It doesn't seem to bother them too much. But apostasy in the other direction is much more threatening: there's really no rational reason to choose film over digital, and I see that it rattles the jumpy 'digis' much more. It seems like more of a pure value-judgement, and it undermines the choices many people have made in the past. In the OP's case I can't see any reason not to choose an easily serviceable film camera over a digital unit that might need a much more costly fix after the warranty expires. I've just added a mint CL to my film cameras - it was built in 1973 apparently, and aside from the most microscopic of paint nicks on one strap tab, it looks and feels like new. How many M8s or M9s will be going strong in 37 years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 13, 2010 Share #29 Posted September 13, 2010 How many M8s or M9s will be going strong in 37 years? We all know that an average life cycle of digital cameras is about 3-5 years. Then the technology is old fashioned and finished. The price drop in old digital cameras is even worser then the analog equivalent. A first M8 will be also around zero in price within 10 years. Who wants to have now a first Canon or Nikon digital SLR of 10 years old? I think nobody! Apart from the fact you can not get the memory cards anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnalex141r Posted September 13, 2010 Share #30 Posted September 13, 2010 Indeed, so am I. For the time being (until I get my darkroom built) ... Just to let you know, my darkroom was finished a couple of months ago. Not too big, but very usable. Going away this weekend, and deciding on whether the M8 comes along, or my free to me Olympus 35RC film camera... (probably both will come). Like others, I do computers all day, and did lots of 3D lower layer graphics programming. Film is really nice change from the computer - I was surprised how much I enjoyed doing it again - like finding an old childhood friend. (edit: probably only one at SIGGRAPH - *the* computer graphics conference - in Los Angeles with a film camera with him!) My next big purchase is going to be (hopefully) an M7 so I can use my fantastic Leica lenses with film. (if funds permit; M7s are expensive) JohnS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 14, 2010 Share #31 Posted September 14, 2010 We all know that an average life cycle of digital cameras is about 3-5 years. Then the technology is old fashioned and finished. The price drop in old digital cameras is even worser then the analog equivalent. A first M8 will be also around zero in price within 10 years. Who wants to have now a first Canon or Nikon digital SLR of 10 years old? I think nobody! Apart from the fact you can not get the memory cards anymore. :confused:The early Canons used CF cards, just like the newer ones...Looked at the prices of the DMR or Digilux2 lately? Or even a Kodak 14 DCS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 14, 2010 Share #32 Posted September 14, 2010 Well CF cards are indeed the same but what about the smart media cards? And for sure some items will stay as collector items hence a bigger price. But looking at e.g. second hand scanner prices the rest value is zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 14, 2010 Share #33 Posted September 14, 2010 I do think the Digilux2 and DMR are workhorses for considerable time to come Kingston produces SM cards http://www.ciao-shopping.nl/Kingston_Smart_Media_128_MB__902739 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 14, 2010 Share #34 Posted September 14, 2010 Thanks that even SM cards are still made.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 14, 2010 Share #35 Posted September 14, 2010 I wouldn't buy them though, as I cannot think of any camera I really would want to use that takes them... What card does the S1 take, I wonder (if it uses cards, that is) I think most of the small number made is still in use after nearly two decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted September 14, 2010 Share #36 Posted September 14, 2010 :confused:The early Canons used CF cards, just like the newer ones...Looked at the prices of the DMR or Digilux2 lately? Or even a Kodak 14 DCS? The earliest Canon and Nikon mount DSLRs, which were made by Kodak, used PCMCIA cards, not CF. The cards were huge (in size), tiny (in memory capacity) and extremely expensive. Not to mention fragile, since the cards contained miniature hard drives that would not do well if you dropped them. I love film but I shoot digital when the job demands it. They both can live happily side-by-side. But I certainly understand the OP's situation and for someone on a budget, if you have to choose only one, it's purely a matter of personal opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 14, 2010 Share #37 Posted September 14, 2010 I was talking D30 onwards. Still, there is lots of PCMCIA stuff available. One would probably need a firewire card to write to a laptop for those early Kodaks nowadays. But apologies for the OT. This would fit in a (non-existing) digital history forum I suppose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted September 14, 2010 Share #38 Posted September 14, 2010 I totally agree. And IF you have to choose (in terms of money): Digital is cheaper... Is it true that sending a M8 or M9 to Solms for a repair after the passport runs out is a little bit more expensive than having a M6 or M2 repaired locally? A similar example is if your M2 or M3 rangefinder fades and you have CRR refurbish it - is it is cheaper than having Solms replace it, with a new module. It is not that digital is more or less expensive than film it is that there is not a cheap(er) option for digital repair (yet). Will there ever be a cheaper option, will Wigglypig ever fly, who knows? Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen in Montreal Posted September 15, 2010 Share #39 Posted September 15, 2010 Is that a fact? I got some flak from a commercial lab about the "unusual" process just today...... C-41 is very simple to process at home. Scour e bay for a heater called Devtek, set it to 100 f Get a small cheap fish tank pump with a low flow rate. Toss them both in large rubbermaid bid. Process film and have fun. Your lab is ranting on about an "unusual process" to protect a declining market share. Nothing more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnalex141r Posted September 15, 2010 Share #40 Posted September 15, 2010 C-41 is very simple to process at home.Scour e bay for a heater called Devtek, set it to 100 f Get a small cheap fish tank pump with a low flow rate. Toss them both in large rubbermaid bid. Process film and have fun. Your lab is ranting on about an "unusual process" to protect a declining market share. Nothing more! A big hello to Allen, from up the line in Ottawa. It has been 20-30 years since I did E6 at home; what "kits" are available in Canada, and where do you get them? How much (approximately) per roll of film? Thanks; JohnS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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