wcc Posted January 5, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted January 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have something really weird happening when I backup M8 files on my Jobo and was wondering whether it is a systemic fault or just something wrong with me or my equipment. Â When I transfer portrait orientation shots, if I view them on the Jobo display, they are inverted, ie left is now right. If the photo is in normal landscape orientation, there is no problem. There is also no problem if the files are from a Canon EOS1ds II whether the picture was taken in landscape or portrait orientation. Â Is this something wrong with me and my equipment or is this something others have seen? Â When I transfer the files from the Jobo onto a Mac, the files are normal. So as a backup device, everything is normal but as a viewer, things are a bit strange. Â Weird! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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loretdem Posted January 5, 2007 Share #2  Posted January 5, 2007 I have something really weird happening when I backup M8 files on my Jobo and was wondering whether it is a systemic fault or just something wrong with me or my equipment. When I transfer portrait orientation shots, if I view them on the Jobo display, they are inverted, ie left is now right. If the photo is in normal landscape orientation, there is no problem. There is also no problem if the files are from a Canon EOS1ds II whether the picture was taken in landscape or portrait orientation.  Is this something wrong with me and my equipment or is this something others have seen?  When I transfer the files from the Jobo onto a Mac, the files are normal. So as a backup device, everything is normal but as a viewer, things are a bit strange.  Weird! Yeah I have the exact same situation with my DMR files. I'm using their latest available firmware v1.0.3 so maybe it's a Leica DNG thing. Might be how it caches the previews for display because when you zoom into the RAW file the image orientation is correct. Ought to contact Jobo about this. I'll email them, you email them and let all other Leica Jobo evolution users/fans know about this so they email too. A firmware fix is in order. -Carlos (also wouldn't it be nice if it would generate full size previews?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Roggen Posted January 6, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted January 6, 2007 I have no answer to your problem, because i haven't been able to get the files on my Gigavu. (firmware 1.03). Do you transfer the files through the sd-cf adapter (which i don't have yet) or do you connect the m8 to the Gigavu with an usb cable? When is do the latter the Gigavu does not jump into import mode like it does when you insert a CF card. Â Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 6, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted January 6, 2007 My M8 just left the factory two days ago. I expect it back in about 10 days (delays in Customs mainly). Â When it returns I will check it on my JOBO and compare for you. Â My JOBO is not the current release, but the previous one. I have used it extensively with my RD1 but could not view the RAW file images. Just see their name listed. I only need to transfer for storage when on location so don't use it to view under normal circumstances. Â I will see if I can drag some M8 files off my computer to the JOBO. That mat demonstrate something. In practice, I use a CF to SD adapter to directly downlod the SD card to the JOBO. Very compact for field work. Â Cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcc Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share #5 Â Posted January 6, 2007 Hans, Â My Jobo has version 1.0.3.0 on it. I use the SD-CF adaptor with it and it works in terms of file transfers. So I cannot comment about using the USB cable though. I do recommend getting one of these adaptors - they can be found on BHphotovideo and also Adorama. Just search under CF adapter and it normally pops up. Â Once you get it to work, let me know whether your portrait shots are inverted too. Â Might be worth having a joint scream at Jobo (who I suspect is the culprit, or is it Leica??). Â Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loretdem Posted January 7, 2007 Share #6  Posted January 7, 2007 I have no answer to your problem, because i haven't been able to get the files on my Gigavu. (firmware 1.03). Do you transfer the files through the sd-cf adapter (which i don't have yet) or do you connect the m8 to the Gigavu with an usb cable? When is do the latter the Gigavu does not jump into import mode like it does when you insert a CF card. Any cheap eBay SDtoCF adapter should work (that's what I use). When using a direct USB2 connection with a camera like the M8, make sure the camera's USB interface is set to Mass Storage Device or its equivalent and NOT to "PTP" (Picture Transfer Protocol). Try that and see if it pops into import mode on its own.  My JOBO is not the current release, but the previous one. I have used it extensively with my RD1 but could not view the RAW file images. Just see their name listed. I only need to transfer for storage when on location so don't use it to view under normal circumstances. If you would shoot in RAW+JPEG mode then you would be able to download your ERF files into your Giga Vu Pro and still be able to view the images using the JPEGs. ERF file support is another thing we should email Jobo about. The built-in open-source RAW converter is dcraw and that does support the R-D1 files so it is just a matter of Jobo recognizing the extension and tags (I think!? )  My Jobo has version 1.0.3.0 on it. I use the SD-CF adaptor with it and it works in terms of file transfers. So I cannot comment about using the USB cable though. I do recommend getting one of these adaptors - they can be found on BHphotovideo and also Adorama. Just search under CF adapter and it normally pops up. Once you get it to work, let me know whether your portrait shots are inverted too.  Might be worth having a joint scream at Jobo (who I suspect is the culprit, or is it Leica??). A joint scream is indeed in order. I think the culprit might be Jobo as it probably has to do with the Giga Vu Pro Evolution creating reversed cached previews when downloading Leica DNG's. I'm just guessing, though.  -Carlos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 7, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted January 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just tested my JOBO with some M8 DNG's loaded across from my PC (camera in Solms) and they display magnificently! My JOBO is the Gigavu Pro. NOT the Evolution version, but it's predecessor. Software is Ver. 1.0.6. My camera is on the way back so I can't test downloading direct from the camera, but I can't see how that will make any difference. Maybe the software Ver. is the key to previous posters difficulties. Â Cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 7, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted January 7, 2007 I just checked the JOBO site. They have a firmware update to 1.0.6 here. JOBO AG - Service - Digital - Giga vu pro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Roggen Posted January 7, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted January 7, 2007 Any cheap eBay SDtoCF adapter should work (that's what I use). When using a direct USB2 connection with a camera like the M8, make sure the camera's USB interface is set to Mass Storage Device or its equivalent and NOT to "PTP" (Picture Transfer Protocol). Try that and see if it pops into import mode on its own. Â Hi Carlos, Â I haven't found a way to change the USB mode neither on my M8, nor in the manual. Am I missing something? Â Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Roggen Posted January 7, 2007 Share #10  Posted January 7, 2007 I just checked the JOBO site. They have a firmware update to 1.0.6 here.JOBO AG - Service - Digital - Giga vu pro  This is for the Pro version only...not the Evolution.  Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loretdem Posted January 8, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted January 8, 2007 I haven't found a way to change the USB mode neither on my M8, nor in the manual. Am I missing something? I do not have an M8 yet but I would assume this would be a menu option like formatting an SD card or setting the histogram views like on my DMR. The DMR uses FireWire so this is not an issue with it. Any M8 users out there know about its USB2 modes? I just tested my JOBO with some M8 DNG's loaded across from my PC (camera in Solms) and they display magnificently! My JOBO is the Gigavu Pro. NOT the Evolution version, but it's predecessor. Software is Ver. 1.0.6. My camera is on the way back so I can't test downloading direct from the camera, but I can't see how that will make any difference. Maybe the software Ver. is the key to previous posters difficulties. By magnificently do you mean that the DNG previews are full screen or thumbnail? If full screen are you really sure you are not viewing JPEGs that you shot with the M8's RAW+JPEG capability? And if they are DNG previews are they reversed in portrait orientation? BTW the latest firmware for the Pro was indeed 1.0.6 from last year and the latest for the Evolution is 1.0.3 from just last month. -Carlos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 8, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted January 8, 2007 Carlos, I do indeed mean full screen and they are DNG's as I had set the camera for DNG only. Not DNG + jpeg. Â Actually, you are correct about the vertical (portrait) orientation. They are reversed. I had not noticed that before as they were old landscapes shot some time ago. It took me awhile to study them to realize the reversal. Damn! Â Actually, it is not a big deal for me as the whole use of my JOBO is to store images and clear my SD card for more shooting. I never look at the images as a rule, on the JOBO. Â Cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Roggen Posted January 8, 2007 Share #13  Posted January 8, 2007 I do not have an M8 yet but I would assume this would be a menu option like formatting an SD card or setting the histogram views like on my DMR. The DMR uses FireWire so this is not an issue with it. Any M8 users out there know about its USB2 modes?  The only USB option you get on the M8 is either plug it in or not  Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loretdem Posted January 9, 2007 Share #14  Posted January 9, 2007 Carlos, I do indeed mean full screen and they are DNG's as I had set the camera for DNG only. Not DNG + jpeg. Actually, you are correct about the vertical (portrait) orientation. They are reversed. I had not noticed that before as they were old landscapes shot some time ago. It took me awhile to study them to realize the reversal. Damn!  Actually, it is not a big deal for me as the whole use of my JOBO is to store images and clear my SD card for more shooting. I never look at the images as a rule, on the JOBO.  Cheers, Erl Thank you for the info on the M8 DNG's. That's awesome news and I envy you because my DMR only provides thumbnails in picture viewing mode. I'm looking forward to getting an M8 this year, but I'm also looking forward to Jobo improving and extending Leica RAW and DNG support in their Giga Vu Pro series firmware, along with at least adequate support for Epson ERF files. I mean, they even advertise in LFI, plus they're fellow Germans! Leica and Jobo are practically meant for each other! -Carlos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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