Riley Posted January 4, 2007 Share #21 Â Posted January 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I dont thing there after short time gonna be M9 with many differents, just only will be change it sensor what lens doesnt need IR filters. This Leica must to do except they satisfy to sale many lest numbers. Is only specific people thing is ok IR filters, this people who got dip love for name Leica. Rest who thing camera just is work tool doesnt want listen about got to buy it filters for all lenses they got. Â Â you do realise there is a waiting list i suppose ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marknorton Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share #22 Â Posted January 4, 2007 Have Leica really said an R10 is coming? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted January 4, 2007 Yes- the last Leica News if I remember correctly. They are working on it, it will be an integrated camera,[so no R9 replacement] with ff or more (???I cannot imagine what that means) sensor. It was rather tucked away- they obviously did not want a big fanfare about it, so it probably in the early stages yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest magyarman Posted January 4, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted January 4, 2007 you do realise there is a waiting list i suppose ? Â Is wait becaus Leica not yet sale all was order before was start. Also they take back to factory all which was sale becaus to fix up. In few monaten will be sale all what is wait, than gonna be no more wait. When is fanatic people all finish to buy, than Leica gonna see if is sale more M8 ora no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 4, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted January 4, 2007 Is wait becaus Leica not yet sale all was order before was start. Also they take back to factory all which was sale becaus to fix up. In few monaten will be sale all what is wait, than gonna be no more wait. When is fanatic people all finish to buy, than Leica gonna see if is sale more M8 ora no. Â you would mean Leica fanatics, not Canon fanatics i guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted January 4, 2007 Is wait becaus Leica not yet sale all was order before was start. Also they take back to factory all which was sale becaus to fix up. In few monaten will be sale all what is wait, than gonna be no more wait. When is fanatic people all finish to buy, than Leica gonna see if is sale more M8 ora no. They only need to sell something like 7500 to 10000 a year- about one day production for Canon or less I guess. They would not be able to produce more. On a world population of billions, that is not an impossible target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 4, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted January 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) considering they sold 1,500 in the first month when we knew it had issues yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted January 4, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted January 4, 2007 Until there's a true replacement for my MP, an M9 with all the items that have been mentioned by so many, so often, it's film for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted January 4, 2007 Share #29 Â Posted January 4, 2007 Which M is the shortest lived camera in Leica history ... folks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted January 4, 2007 Share #30  Posted January 4, 2007 When it comes to issues like AWB I think we have to wait for firmware version 1.1 to see how they have gotten it corrected. It takes new firmware, not a new camera for such items. On the other hand, having one set buttons for ISO, EV compensations etc does take a new camera, as does weather sealing and the like. I have used the Novoflex R to M adapter successfully with the R 19 elmarit. I am going to do some tests with the R 15 3.5 because this lens would obviate the need for me to buy the Tri-Elmar  Woody Spedden  Hi Woody,  Don't count out a possible revision in firmware that makes use of the suggestions I made for EV and ISO changes. <G>  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted January 4, 2007 Share #31  Posted January 4, 2007 Which M is the shortest lived camera in Leica history ... folks?  Not counting special editions and scientific cameras:  Original MP - 1year M4-2 - less than 3 years M5 - 3 years  This however, should not be used as a guide for the length of the M8's life. The original MP was a special edition camera, based on existing tools and dies. The M4-2 was stop-gap camera after the M5's flop, to keep Leitz from trouble.  My take is that we might see an M8-2 (??) in a few years as a slightly revised camera, but an M9 is many years away.  Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 4, 2007 Share #32  Posted January 4, 2007 I'm hoping there's someone in Solms who is collating all the M8 feedback, the brick-bats and boquets, the opinions of what's hot and what's not. We need a step forwards in sensor design before it makes sense to replace the M8, but if Leica treat the M8 experience - both the development and the aftermath - as a rich learning experience, the M9 could be really good.  Hi Mark - let's hope they pick up our 'flawed' cameras tomorrow!  I've been reading this thread and thinking hard, and it seems to me that everything wanted can be fixed in firmware . . .. . Except the IR issue, and Full Frame - and I doubt very much if either of these is fixable with a new sensor - at least, not for many years. Both of these seem to me to be issues which are problems because of the angle of incidence of light in a rangefinder - and you can't change that!  On the other hand, I can see Leica producing IR blocking lenses (presumably they could do this without the cyan issues) - or possibly filters matched to individual lenses. Of course, assuming that the M8 is a success, there will be an M9, but I'd think it will be more to do with increased MP count, speed etc. than much else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted January 4, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted January 4, 2007 No need for IR filter on the lens, better DR, better AWB, better exposure, more silent, SDHC support, more battery life, support for the eq 28mm in the viewfinder, dedicated button to change ISO, exposure compensation and WB, optionnaly more infos in the viewfinder, more infos in the LCD screen on top, instant startup... Â I would rather keep the filter on the lens if a thicker IR filter on the sensor means less sharpness. I think the noise issue...is not much of an issue. Most of the rest of the stuff I think you could do in an upgrade -- an M8b. I don't think we'll see an M9 unless there's a major change in the filter. I'm pretty skeptical about the Foveon after all the promises, etc., but a Foveon-style sensor, if they could be made as sharp as a CCD, might solve some of the light-angle problems and possibly some of the IR issues (if the layers were stacked GBR, with the R on the bottom -- if that's possible -- and the overlying layers were given a bit of IR filtration...) That could be an M9 with an "equivalent" ~16-20mp. If you see me on the street, however, you'll notice that I don't seem to be holding my breath.... Â JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 4, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted January 4, 2007 No need for IR filter on the lens, better DR, better AWB, better exposure, more silent, SDHC support, more battery life, support for the eq 28mm in the viewfinder, dedicated button to change ISO, exposure compensation and WB, optionnaly more infos in the viewfinder, more infos in the LCD screen on top, instant startup... ... a 1:1 or .85x VF, one set of framelines at a time, a larger screen on top, a reversible LCD, a better grip, no color cast with any Leica lens (coded or not), no red filters and of course no red filters! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianpe Posted January 4, 2007 Share #35  Posted January 4, 2007 I am hoping we don't see one for a while. The M8 is based on the best sensor technology available, and it is a compromise. Until technology significantly improves there is little point to an M9. Sure, there are bells and whistles you can add, but Leica won't -- and shouldn't -- do that on an M camera. They have the D3 for that.  There are promising sensor technolgies on the horizon. I believe Fujitsu has a prototype sensor that has 12MP, but they are split so 6MP work better in low light and 6MP work better in bright light, vastly improving the dynamic range.  Things that I would want in an M9 that I think would be worth an upgrade:  A large improvement in noise control at high ISO and much higher DR in RAW. That's not going to happen for several years. By then, it may be possible to do a FF sensor. The sensor may be based on a different technology that is less sensitive to IR, negating the need for any internal or external IR filter. I expect to take my M8 everywhere, regardless of weather. If it turns out that my M8 is fragile in the face of foul weather, I would expect full weather sealing on the M9.  Everyone assumes the M8, like all other digital cameras, will be replaced in a year. I don't think that is so. When new digital camera models are released they tend to have two things different: more/better features and more/better pixels. I'm not sure that translates into a M world. M film users aren't clamoring for features, and they tend to use a few favorite film types to get the look the want. I think you'll find that most M8 users grow to appreciate the nuances of the "film" that is forever loaded in their camera and it will take a major shift for them to switch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest magyarman Posted January 4, 2007 Share #36 Â Posted January 4, 2007 They only need to sell something like 7500 to 10000 a year- about one day production for Canon or less I guess. They would not be able to produce more. On a world population of billions, that is not an impossible target. Â I thing is they gonna be lucky sale 7500 to 10000 in all time. Until today is no more mabe 2,500 sale, I thing can to be mabe again more 2,500 who stay in wait. After is will be no more wait, I thing is same time will be not many more sale. Nobody who now this today, is all just talk. We see in six ober seven monaths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 5, 2007 Share #37  Posted January 5, 2007 I'm hoping there's someone in Solms who is collating all the M8 feedback, the brick-bats and boquets, the opinions of what's hot and what's not. We need a step forwards in sensor design before it makes sense to replace the M8, but if Leica treat the M8 experience - both the development and the aftermath - as a rich learning experience, the M9 could be really good.  you better get yourself some good books to shorten the time if you want to wait for the M9  The M8 works pretty good, you could just use it to take photographies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 5, 2007 Share #38 Â Posted January 5, 2007 you better get yourself some good books to shorten the time if you want to wait for the M9 Â The M8 works pretty good, you could just use it to take photographies. War and Peace comes to mind. Perhaps the bible too. Oh, and the Encyclopedia Britannica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted January 5, 2007 Share #39  Posted January 5, 2007 I thing is they gonna be lucky sale 7500 to 10000 in all time. Until today is no more mabe 2,500 sale, I thing can to be mabe again more 2,500 who stay in wait. After is will be no more wait, I thing is same time will be not many more sale. Nobody who now this today, is all just talk. We see in six ober seven monaths.  actually Canon produce about 70,000 units a month or around 2,500 a day i would expect a trouble free M8 will see more market entrants in the order of 2,000 a month after a period of around 24 months sales could have dropped to around 55% im thinking the ambient sales are around 1,000 units a month but this anticipates that the prices remain the same relative to the market either a drop in price, or the introduction of an updated model would reignite sales  considering the DMR needs updating, and M9 is being planned thats probably a safe level of activity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted January 6, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted January 6, 2007 It took Leica four passes at SLRs before they began to get things right with the R4. Â Hopefully this product evolution will be shorter. In the digital age they don't have the luxury of time as they once did. Â P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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