tom0511 Posted December 31, 2006 Share #1 Posted December 31, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had to much time today and did comparison shots with the M8-DMR-5D-D200. The shots were shot at ISO400 (and 320 for the M8). I used a tripod for the vegatable shots. tried to focus on the white upper letters on the blue milk. The M8 seems to be slightly wrong focus. I DO KNOW THAT PROBABLY NOT ALL PARAMETERS ARE IDENTICAL; BUT I DID MY BEST. Processed in C1, whitebalanced on the right upper corner of the card. No noise reduction, no sharpening, no contrast tweaking, no saturation change. Here and then a slight exposure compensation to make them comparable (max +/- 0.3). Also one M8 shot with filter and one without (the one where the filter is lying on the table) What do you think? cheers, Tom here is the link: you can choose different sizes m8-comparisons Photo Gallery by TOM at pbase.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanG Posted December 31, 2006 Share #2 Posted December 31, 2006 I am not sure what it is that your are testing other than the overall color reproduction of this one collection of objects. I think you must have mis-reported the exposure information as the Leica data differs so greatly from the data reported for the other cameras. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted December 31, 2006 Share #3 Posted December 31, 2006 Some of the first things that stand out to me are: 1) The rendering of the lettering on the carton. 2) The rendering of the yellow pepper. Notice the DMR is almost smooth, yet the M8 picked out 5 (or more) spots on it that were also present (to a lesser amount) on the 5D and D200. The 5D and D200 did not pick out all the spots that the M8 found, and were generally more 'smooth'. 3) The sharpness of the (white) onion top on M8 and DMR compared to 5D and D200. There are more..... but still looking Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share #4 Posted December 31, 2006 I am not sure what it is that your are testing other than the overall color reproduction of this one collection of objects. I think you must have mis-reported the exposure information as the Leica data differs so greatly from the data reported for the other cameras. I just wanted to see how the 4 camera+lens-combos reproduce different texture and colors also if I can see differences in detail. I also did some shots at infinity to see how they would compare here. Will post them later. The Leica exposures dont differ much. The lens is not coded so f1 is wrong and should be 5.6. I choose f8 for the 5d to get a more comparable DOF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share #5 Posted December 31, 2006 And here: 5d+24-105 at 28mm M8+21/2.8asph DMR+19/2.8 5d_m8_vs_dmr Photo Gallery by TOM at pbase.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted December 31, 2006 Share #6 Posted December 31, 2006 Thomas The problem with this type of test layout is that you do not get to see all of the pictures at the same time, and at a size that can help to show differences. Thnx for doing anyway. Bruno Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted December 31, 2006 Share #7 Posted December 31, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thomas The problem with this type of test layout is that you do not get to see all of the pictures at the same time, and at a size that can help to show differences. Thnx for doing anyway. Bruno I grabbed all full size shots, then loaded them in to CS3 at 100% crops side by side. This allows you to scroll around all 5 shots to the same area for comparison.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share #8 Posted December 31, 2006 I know that this is just one image, with different lenses. Also if you compare I think the images can take different amounts of sharpening. Just a little pixelpeeping fun, thats all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spersky Posted December 31, 2006 Share #9 Posted December 31, 2006 Hello, The test was a good effort. However, there is a huge flaw in the test. The Canon lens is a pretty low quality non-pro zoom comparered to the primes you used. Maybe, if you have one you should use a Canon prime lens. Thanks, Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted December 31, 2006 Share #10 Posted December 31, 2006 Anybody know if the 19 Elmarit can be mounted on the M8 using the R-M adapter? if yes, then the test using the same glass on all three bodies would be interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share #11 Posted December 31, 2006 Hello, The test was a good effort. However, there is a huge flaw in the test. The Canon lens is a pretty low quality non-pro zoom comparered to the primes you used. Maybe, if you have one you should use a Canon prime lens. Thanks, Steve I tested those because these are the ones I use. There is also a zoom on the d200 and on the DMR (I know, I know, the 28-90 has a higher price tag) The 24-105L is not a bad lens, besides vignetting and distorsion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted December 31, 2006 Share #12 Posted December 31, 2006 David I have not gone digital yet and have no access to CS3 [ in fact I don't even know what the letters refer to !] Thanks anyway for the tip. Bruno Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemeng Posted December 31, 2006 Share #13 Posted December 31, 2006 Anybody know if the 19 Elmarit can be mounted on the M8 using the R-M adapter? if yes, then the test using the same glass on all three bodies would be interesting. Of course it can. The problem however is with the EOS-5D, where the Elmarit-R 19mm protrudes enough into the camera body to cause mirror-fouling issues. You need to grind back the mirror bottom edge @ 1mm to get sufficient clearance. Leica Camera AG - Photography - LEICA ELMARIT-R 19 mm f/2.8 Leica FAQ - Leica R lenses on Canon DSLRs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest magyarman Posted December 31, 2006 Share #14 Posted December 31, 2006 I DO KNOW THAT PROBABLY NOT ALL PARAMETERS ARE IDENTICAL; BUT I DID MY BEST. Processed in C1, whitebalanced on the right upper corner of the card. No noise reduction, no sharpening, no contrast tweaking, no saturation change. Here and then a slight exposure compensation to make them comparable (max +/- 0.3). If you will to put same of salt in all soupes you never gonna now how is really suppose taste it. You need make each one soupe like is suppose, than you can to tell is which one best. Is example, some people saying RAW file of 1DS-II is soft than other, oba people who got this camera make it big prints most peoples cannot tell is was not from 5x4. This becaus digital need do exactly work flow what is need from starting to ending. If you looking just RAW file this dont meaning for how is good ora bat can be print. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maio Posted December 31, 2006 Share #15 Posted December 31, 2006 David I have not gone digital yet and have no access to CS3 [ in fact I don't even know what the letters refer to !] Thanks anyway for the tip. Bruno Actually, using the term "CS3" is a bit of disinformation for the non initiated. Adobe has released a beta version of a new Photoshop which will be included in their "Creative Suite 3" due out in 2007. The Creative suite consists of Photoshop, In Design, Illustrator, Bridge and, at least in some versions of the new release, will include Dreamweaver for website design (Adobe acquired Macromedia). We mistakenly shorten the new (free) beta release of Photoshop to "CS3" around here - oblivious to the fact that the final release of the new "Creative Suite" will also include the aforementioned programs. In any event, you can download the free beta of the new Photoshop here: Adobe Labs - Adobe Photoshop CS3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted December 31, 2006 Share #16 Posted December 31, 2006 Anybody know if the 19 Elmarit can be mounted on the M8 using the R-M adapter? if yes, then the test using the same glass on all three bodies would be interesting. After reading this question I tried the R19 with the adapter and it works beautifully. (No rangefinder usage however..........guessing at focus distance so tough for close up shots) Woody Spedden Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 31, 2006 Share #17 Posted December 31, 2006 ...Processed in C1...no sharpening... You mean raw pics without sharpening? If so you're comparing sensor filters IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted January 1, 2007 Share #18 Posted January 1, 2007 Actually, using the term "CS3" is a bit of disinformation for the non initiated. You are right. Sorry, I should have been a little more clear. You can also do this with lots of other apps though, infact anything that will let you open multiple windows and zoom to 100%. then just reduce the window size so that they all fit on the screen next to each other, and start scrolling around..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share #19 Posted January 1, 2007 You mean raw pics without sharpening?If so you're comparing sensor filters IMHO. yes, no sharpening in raw conversion. Anybody can experiment with sharpening and apply as much as he/she wants to each file. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share #20 Posted January 1, 2007 If you will to put same of salt in all soupes you never gonna now how is really suppose taste it. You need make each one soupe like is suppose, than you can to tell is which one best. Is example, some people saying RAW file of 1DS-II is soft than other, oba people who got this camera make it big prints most peoples cannot tell is was not from 5x4. This becaus digital need do exactly work flow what is need from starting to ending. If you looking just RAW file this dont meaning for how is good ora bat can be print. You are correct, but if I do as much salt in each soup as I like it will be highly subjective and people will complain. If the soup is without salt, you can out as much ´salt in it as YOU want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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