dkCambridgeshire Posted August 4, 2010 Share #21 Posted August 4, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not nessesarily. If the camera were to supply power and signals to the adapter and the adapter has a motor to operate the aperture mechanism then the lens could work exactly like it were on an R body. Are you using/testing a prototype Doug? dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wildlightphoto Posted August 4, 2010 Share #22 Posted August 4, 2010 Are you using/testing a prototype Doug? dunk I wish! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmes Posted August 4, 2010 Share #23 Posted August 4, 2010 The last time I checked with my service company (DAG) all my Rs were adjusted., lubed and cleaned. My R glass will be getting more work out if I could send my knee to DAG. After 30 minutes walking on it, it's hurts. Not the best or most ideal situation. Now as to a new EVIL body, I like my R 6.2s and R 7. Every time I read about a "new" product replacement, I'm constantly reminded of a saying we had in Korea and Vietnam: bend over 'cause they're getting read to shove it. I kept it clean for not wanting to offend anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted August 5, 2010 Share #24 Posted August 5, 2010 I think Leica (or someone else) would find a unique niche if it made a full frame EVIL camera that can use a new line of AF lenses (in Leica's case,) along with R and M glass. If the camera had fully compatible electronic adapters to also use Nikon, Canon, and other lenses, they'd sell a ton of them. (Sigma and other lens companies would know how to make these adapters.) However I don't know if other manufacturers will rush to make a full frame EVIL. It seems to me that the advantage of the new EVIL systems is that they have small bodies and small lenses. (Yet can use other larger lenses.) So I don't know if manufacturers will see much of a market in full frame EVIL cameras if they'll just canibalize their high end DSLR sales and still result in a fairly large system overall. That being said, I think Sony could throw a full frame 24 megapixel sensor into something like a slightly larger Nex body, add a good clip-on EVF, and have it. And a nice very small second FF EVIL body could have a role even for D3 and 1D users. So maybe they will and maybe they won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 5, 2010 Share #25 Posted August 5, 2010 ... I don't know if other manufacturers will rush to make a full frame EVIL. It seems to me that the advantage of the new EVIL systems is that they have small bodies and small lenses. (Yet can use other larger lenses.) So I don't know if manufacturers will see much of a market in full frame EVIL cameras if they'll just canibalize their high end DSLR sales and still result in a fairly large system overall. I'd expect the full-frame EVIL will be made first by a manufacturer who doesn't have a dog in the high-end DSLR fight. The big draw of this camera would be the versatility of being able to adapt it to a wide variety of current and legacy lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted August 5, 2010 Share #26 Posted August 5, 2010 I'd expect the full-frame EVIL will be made first by a manufacturer who doesn't have a dog in the high-end DSLR fight. The big draw of this camera would be the versatility of being able to adapt it to a wide variety of current and legacy lenses. Yeah, that is kind of the holy grail. But there is nothing technological stopping it. Especially since the X1, Sony Nex and some other cameras show how little space that current electronics take up. You may remember that for a few years now, I've been suggesting that this would be a smart move for Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo.Battista Posted August 5, 2010 Share #27 Posted August 5, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'd expect the full-frame EVIL will be made first by a manufacturer who doesn't have a dog in the high-end DSLR fight. The big draw of this camera would be the versatility of being able to adapt it to a wide variety of current and legacy lenses. Olympus is rumored to be releasing a new modular concept of camera. And the 4/3 camera line, as we know it today, is almost offcially phasing out. A modular camera that permits to change sensor and lens mount will certainly appeal anyone who use many types of different legacy lenses (more collectors than profs, I think). The modular Olympus camera is rumored to be announced at Photokina and to be released in 2011 on the market. Since Leica has repeatedly announced that they will NOT produce by their own a digital solution for R lenses BUT they will be working with third parties in order to put on the market a solution for their R customers, if this is still the case Leica could announce at Photokina a committed support to let this type of camera to mount efficiently R lenses? In any case, a modular camera with the possibility to change the sensor is a very nice concept (sensors specialized for low light, for black and white, for maximum resolution,..). Paolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted August 5, 2010 Share #28 Posted August 5, 2010 Olympus is rumored to be releasing a new modular concept of camera. And the 4/3 camera line, as we know it today, is almost offcially phasing out. Paolo That could account for the E3 not being replaced. The 4/3 system, as distinct from μ4/3 system, is not that much smaller than APS and FF ... and some 4/3 lenses seem huge to me eg the Panasonic Leica D Summilux 25/1.4 ASPH. On the other hand, μ4/3 is far better ergonomically ... and more versatile as regards use of legacy lenses. Photokina could be extremely interesting this year. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 5, 2010 Share #29 Posted August 5, 2010 I'd expect the full-frame EVIL will be made first by a manufacturer who doesn't have a dog in the high-end DSLR fight. The big draw of this camera would be the versatility of being able to adapt it to a wide variety of current and legacy lenses. Like? Samsung? Olympus? Ricoh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 5, 2010 Share #30 Posted August 5, 2010 Like? Samsung? Olympus? Ricoh? Or Panasonic. That would mean they could have mid priced 4/3 and a more expensive full frame camera. With a red dot version for R lenses of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 5, 2010 Share #31 Posted August 5, 2010 A modular camera that permits to change sensor and lens mount will certainly appeal anyone who use many types of different legacy lenses (more collectors than profs, I think). Suppose you wanted to use a Canon tilt/shift lens and a Nikon 200-400 VR and a Leica APO Telyt. I'd welcome a camera that allows me to use my old AI Nikkors as inexpensive backups for my R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 5, 2010 Share #32 Posted August 5, 2010 Doug, but surely there'd be a multitude of problems with mechanical linkages or electronic interfaces - unless the intention would be to provide a stop down solution for MF lenses, and I don't see that as a mainstream solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 5, 2010 Share #33 Posted August 5, 2010 Doug, but surely there'd be a multitude of problems with mechanical linkages or electronic interfaces - unless the intention would be to provide a stop down solution for MF lenses, and I don't see that as a mainstream solution. The camera can provide power and electronic signals to the adapter, the adapter translates the signals into whatever mechanical actions required by the lenses it's designed for. The adapter can tell the camera what capabilities it has i.e., AF, IS/VR, aperture control, and the camera can respond appropriately. The adapters can even have an embedded database of lenses that will fit the adapter so that the user can make a lens selection from the camera's menu, for EXIF data or lens-specific corrections. For example an adapter for R lenses would have an R-lens database, would tell the camera to forget about AF, and would have a ring motor that would stop the lens down on the camera's signal. It would also have a meter coupling and would tell the camera to enable full-aperture metering. All that needed is to standarize the interface between the camera and adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 5, 2010 Share #34 Posted August 5, 2010 I'm playing devil's advocate here, but how many Nikon or Canon users would bit it instead of a Nikon or Canon? Is it viable system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 5, 2010 Share #35 Posted August 5, 2010 I'm playing devil's advocate here, but how many Nikon or Canon users would bit it instead of a Nikon or Canon? Is it viable system? I'd think that someone who is interested in using the best tool for the job regardless of brand would be interested. Use an AF-S/VR lens where needed, a T/S lens for another job, and an APO-Telyt where you want maximum image quality. Seems like a good option for someone who isn't married to a particular brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 5, 2010 Share #36 Posted August 5, 2010 Seems like a good option for someone who isn't married to a particular brand. Can't disagree with that. Anyhow, my prediction is that Panasonic will release a full frame camera with EVF. It will use a Leica R mount with AF support and will be backwardly compatible with MF R lenses. Leica have said that there will be a full frame EVF solution for R users. Can anyone really imagine them getting into bed with anyone other than Panasonic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 5, 2010 Share #37 Posted August 5, 2010 Can anyone really imagine them getting into bed with anyone other than Panasonic? Seems most likely to me. I'd think the market for the camera would be much bigger if it can use more lenses than just R or the hypothetical AF-R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 5, 2010 Share #38 Posted August 5, 2010 Can anyone really imagine them getting into bed with anyone other than Panasonic? The company that makes the X1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 5, 2010 Share #39 Posted August 5, 2010 Seems most likely to me. I'd think the market for the camera would be much bigger if it can use more lenses than just R or the hypothetical AF-R. But from Panasonics's perspective they'd get to sell bodies _and_lenses in a sector where they don't currently have a presence. I'm guessing that the micro 4/3 mount has been positive for them and that may mean that they'd be happy introducing a new full frame mounr - R-AF - into the market place. Leica's relationship with Panasonic has been long and fruitful, if it's going to continue then I'd expect Panasonic to be involved in some way with any R solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 5, 2010 Share #40 Posted August 5, 2010 Time and EVFs march on - hopefully without abandoning R lenses. Professional EVIL cameras are inevitable ...from fuzzy EVFs mighty EVILs grow ... and may they eventually astound and convert the Luddites dunk In my opinion, the S system should have been an EVIL system for studio work... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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