jacelech Posted June 15, 2010 Share #1 Posted June 15, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dear R System faithful: Many of us have heard the full frame EVIL rumor and await with interest what may or may not appear later this year . There was a prototype Leicaflex shown on this website: Leica EVIL Camera for Photokina? - Echenique dot com ..when I looked at it more closely, though, I thought the film advance lever was strangely placed: (how would someone re-cock the shutter away from the body out towards the lens?), so I suspect this is some digital construction based on other pictures. Has anything more been written on this possible full frame EVIL body for R lenses? Anyone heard anything? Cheers, Jacek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted June 15, 2010 Share #2 Posted June 15, 2010 That's a half frame Leicaflex prototype from the 60's !! No news about the EVIL R yet, although a mate of mine said he heard some German bloke down the pub going on about how they were making a mint by buying up a load of Canon bodies, sticking their brand name on the front and charging double! He didn't hear any brand name but said the guy was addressed by his drinking partner as the Dr........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted June 15, 2010 Share #3 Posted June 15, 2010 On a recent trip to Australia I was assured by a dealer in Melbourne that the 'R replacement' was definitely coming this year. No amount of scepticism would dilute his certainty! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 15, 2010 Share #4 Posted June 15, 2010 As to the oddball "forward" cocking lever in that prototype - unusual, but not unheard-of at the time: alpa reflex 9d, 1965 | 12796876 | Reflex Cameras (not autofocus) Calypso/Nikkor II 976873 (The Nikonos had a dual-action lever. Press it in to fire the shutter, a spring kicked it out 120 degrees after firing, the shutter was cocked by pressing it back into the rest position (pictured)) All the lever has to do is apply force - the direction the film moves inside depends on gearing. As to an EVIL that takes R (and maybe M) lenses - this is a Photokina year and I expect there will be several new Leica products at least previewed. An EVIL is a relatively easy and fast camera to engineer once one has settled on the specs - Panasonic has cranked out 4 models in 1.5 years, not to mention Sony and Olympus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 20, 2010 Share #5 Posted June 20, 2010 If there is to be a Leica R solution it would probably take advantage of the latest EVIL technology - and maybe improve on it. If Leica is working in this direction the chances are the camera will not be called R10 especially as TTBOMK 'R' in Leica-Speak = Reflex - which an EVIL isn't . And if the 'solution' is not called R10 then this will be in line with Leica's announcement that they will not be making an R10 - but that there will be an 'R' solution. With an EVIL 'R' solution, the camera might not be primarily designed for 'R' lenses. There might be a whole new line of lenses - or maybe the 'EVIL' Leica will use 'M' lenses. The camera software would undoubtedly enable recognition of individual M lenses for optimum performance. If the EVIL Leica could be adapted for R lenses there would surely be individual R lens recognition software available as well - which is where it would score over using R lenses on eg EOS cameras. Photokina is not far away where maybe there will be a Leica E-10 ? If so, I hope they improve their glue used for sticking on the vulcanite! dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted June 20, 2010 Share #6 Posted June 20, 2010 To bad they screwed around so long, I suppose they can sell a hundred S2 instead of thousands of R10. I now use full frame Nikons, D700 and D3. A few R lenses and M visos have been adaped to Nikon. 28/35 pc work a treat on Nikon. Shoulder stock + Dot line electric release are fantastic for 400/560 6.8. I did have to custom make a spacer for the release to handle that took me 15 minutes. Ergonomically, it is beeter than Leicas electric cable release. Besides I don`t want an EVIL camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted June 21, 2010 Share #7 Posted June 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) To bad they screwed around so long, I suppose they can sell a hundred S2 instead of thousands of R10. I now use full frame Nikons, D700 and D3. A few R lenses and M visos have been adaped to Nikon. 28/35 pc work a treat on Nikon. Shoulder stock + Dot line electric release are fantastic for 400/560 6.8. I did have to custom make a spacer for the release to handle that took me 15 minutes. Ergonomically, it is beeter than Leicas electric cable release. Besides I don`t want an EVIL camera. Totally agree. While I still have and use my R8/DMR and multiple R lenses, I have NO interest in a "so-called" R solution, EVIL or otherwise. Anyone who actually promotes one is, without a doubt, not an R user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted June 21, 2010 Share #8 Posted June 21, 2010 My love affair with my R8, DMR, R lenses and D2 continues. I'll wait and see what is coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 21, 2010 Share #9 Posted June 21, 2010 Totally agree. While I still have and use my R8/DMR and multiple R lenses, I have NO interest in a "so-called" R solution, EVIL or otherwise. Anyone who actually promotes one is, without a doubt, not an R user. Time and EVFs march on - hopefully without abandoning R lenses. Professional EVIL cameras are inevitable ...from fuzzy EVFs mighty EVILs grow ... and may they eventually astound and convert the Luddites dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
etrigan63 Posted July 31, 2010 Share #10 Posted July 31, 2010 As the author of the blog post mentioned in the first post, the image is an old Leica half-frame from the 60's (Oly Pen F competitor?) but it has the same form factor and SLR capabilities mentioned in the rumored EVIL camera (although the viewfinder will be electronic). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted July 31, 2010 Share #11 Posted July 31, 2010 Too bad my R lenses are part of history now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 31, 2010 Share #12 Posted July 31, 2010 Too bad my R lenses are part of history now. Maybe Leica will have a solution by the time Photokina starts ... I'm wondering if any bookies are quoting odds ... Seems to me it's inevitable that sooner or later an EVIL Leica will have to join the ranks especially as an EVF should be so much cheaper to manufacture than a reflex mirror or rangefinder. Have faith! dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 31, 2010 Share #13 Posted July 31, 2010 It would have to give noticably better images than the DMR - I don't see that happening in a hurry. I have a feeling such a camera would not be high on my priority list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 31, 2010 Share #14 Posted July 31, 2010 It would have to give noticably better images than the DMR - I don't see that happening in a hurry. I have a feeling such a camera would not be high on my priority list. Surely sensors and image processing engines have moved on more than just a little bit since the DMR dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 31, 2010 Share #15 Posted July 31, 2010 Oh yes - I suppose so. But I look at the results. Of course it is dated - it is slow to start up, high-ISO performance is not what it was built for, resolution is 10 Mp, but boy, are those beautiful Mp-s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSBB6 Posted August 1, 2010 Share #16 Posted August 1, 2010 Here's a temporary solution: Leica R lens to Sony Alpha NEX-5 nex-3 Kipon adapter on eBay.ca (item 280538154249 end time 21-Aug-10 06:32:15 EDT) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 1, 2010 Share #17 Posted August 1, 2010 Surely sensors and image processing engines have moved on more than just a little bit since the DMR Speed and number of pixels, yup. Color quality, nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted August 1, 2010 Share #18 Posted August 1, 2010 Speed and number of pixels, yup. Color quality, nope. As usual, Doug's absolutely correct! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anabasis Posted August 4, 2010 Share #19 Posted August 4, 2010 I would assume that such adapters would require manual stopping down? I guess that won't be too bad given the performance of other "Live View" systems. I wonder if they would install contacts to use the ROM firmware in those lenses for exposure information? Most of my Leica glass is ROM so it would be nice. I am looking for a digital method for my Leica R glass and given the battery situation and price and availability of the DMR, an EVIL system is my favored choice at this point. Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 4, 2010 Share #20 Posted August 4, 2010 I would assume that such adapters would require manual stopping down? Not nessesarily. If the camera were to supply power and signals to the adapter and the adapter has a motor to operate the aperture mechanism then the lens could work exactly like it were on an R body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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