Bruno Frisch Posted December 27, 2006 Share #1 Posted December 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know about the restrictions of the LUF with respect to selling used leica items. With respect to this subject I have a question, I have a Leica M4 to sell, where is the best place on the web to do this. It's not a user camera, it's in A+ condition so I would like to sell it in a place where people appreciate fine classic cameras..... where would I do this best? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wparsonsgisnet Posted December 27, 2006 Share #2 Posted December 27, 2006 Bruno, I would suggest eBay. I have both bought and sold successfully on eBay for many years. I would suggest the following: 1. Join eBay (no cost and no obligation). This allows you to view completed auctions, which is what you need to do to see how much cameras like this have sold for. 2. If you decide the amounts of the past auctions are reasonable to you, list the camera for sale -- you may place a minimum on the auction. The auction will not take place unless you meet the minimum. 3. You can place restrictions on the buyers when you list the item. I often see that only bidders with positive feedback profiles will be accepted. Good luck, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted December 27, 2006 Share #3 Posted December 27, 2006 Bruno - I wouldn't try to sell something valuable on eBay until I have a record of positive feedback. Too many people will shy away from offers without a positive feedback record. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted December 28, 2006 Share #4 Posted December 28, 2006 Hi Bruno. Unfortunately we have no place on the LUF to buy/sell per request of Leica. The best places I can direct you are: Rangefinderforum.com FredMiranda.com Photo.net Photogon.com All of these sites can accomodate classifieds and you are fairly sure to get knowledgable bidders. BTW, I just happened to notice a really nice M6 listing on RFF if anybody's looking to get into an M film body. Thanks. Allan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted December 28, 2006 Share #5 Posted December 28, 2006 I've sold two Leicas on E-bay. Start building up your record if you are not in a rush, then sell. Someone on this forum may also contact you, it has happened before :-) Wilfredo+ Benitez-Rivera Photography Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Frisch Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share #6 Posted December 28, 2006 Thank you all. I feel pretty hesitant towards Ebay, but I will try some of the other sites. I'm in no hurry though. Over Christmas I borrowed a Canon 5D and a Leica M8 again at the same time from my local Leica dealer and tested them both out, although the 5D is a really nice camera with good results it's awfully bulky and heavy, and somehow I can't see myself taking pictures with one of these huge cameras. When I see the tourists trotting around Munich lugging these huge things with them I always have to smile a bit, I don't plan on joining them to be "smiled" at :-) So I ordered the M8 because I like the results and compared to the 5D it's small and lightweight. Anyway before christmas I thought I would wait buying the M8 until the M9 had come out so I bought an MP instead which I hope to receive in 2-3 weeks (al-la carte). But having ordered the M8 as well I can't justify having so many cameras so I will see if I can get rid of one of my 2 M4's for I certainly won't be needing that. I also want to get the tri-elmar .... and the 21mm .... and the 28mm ..... and in view of all these purchases and planned purchases I might some extra money to have some psychiatric treatment ...... :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Frisch Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share #7 Posted December 28, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... And I am warming up towards the idea of a Noctilux as well. What damage frequenting a Leica forum can do to one's bank account... :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted December 28, 2006 Share #8 Posted December 28, 2006 ..... and in view of all these purchases and planned purchases I might some extra money to have some psychiatric treatment ...... :-) No doubt that the therapist will then have her own Leica-lust decisions to make! Thanks. Allan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 28, 2006 Share #9 Posted December 28, 2006 I agree that ebay is good. If you describe the item fairly with sensible terms and conditions, you will get market price. It may be a rude awakening but something is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest user8952 Posted December 28, 2006 Share #10 Posted December 28, 2006 bruno, since you don‘t seem tu use your cameras, there is no need to go digital... :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Frisch Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share #11 Posted December 28, 2006 I agree that ebay is good. If you describe the item fairly with sensible terms and conditions, you will get market price. It may be a rude awakening but something is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it. It's not the price that it will go for, 100€ more or less is not of any importance. I read and hear the hassles of buying/selling on ebay. I just want to get it into somebodies hands that will be pleased with and treat it like I have treated it. It has after all been in my possession for over 15 years now, and the more I think about it the harder it will become to sell. But the bottom end will be that I won't use it. I have a second M4 that I got new as a 13th birthday present from my father, this one I will definitely keep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 28, 2006 Share #12 Posted December 28, 2006 I agree that ebay is good. If you describe the item fairly with sensible terms and conditions, you will get market price. It may be a rude awakening but something is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it. I think the problem is that some people don't like the prices they see stuff sell for on e bay. I wouldn't usually pay the same for something on e bay as I would if buying in a shop, but then I'm not getting any guarantee am I. Selling on e bay is usually akin to acheiving a price somewhere between the 'trade' price you'd get if you offered your item to a dealer, and the retail price. A reputable shop in a city centre might have similar items up for significantly more but a) do they ever sell them at that price and what is the actual price after deducting their overheads. E bay does represent the actual market value of an item (as long as it is described accurately, and has some good photos). I just sold a Wii computer game on e bay on behalf of a friend for double the retail price. They are totally sold out in the shops and someone wanted it in time for xmas. Market value! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Frisch Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share #13 Posted December 28, 2006 bruno, since you don‘t seem tu use your cameras, there is no need to go digital... :-) I use my cameras quite a lot actually, but 2 film cameras is all I need, the M8 will be a welcome addition but certainly not a replacement. On average I shoot about 100 rolls a year, as a form of "log" I shoot 36 pictures each week, these are Tri-x always which I develop and print myself. This is what I use 1 camera for. The other, soon to be an MP will be used for color and slide with which I shoot "projects" I am replacing an M4 for an MP since I have the tendency to shoot more and more slides which I would prefer to do with an "in camera" light meter. The M8 will be for other things, I have yet to find out what can actually be done with the M8, where it's limits are, it's pro's and con's and since the purchase of a dedicated slide scan mechanism thingie I quit enjoy electronic processing of images, but am still finding out how to exactly work it, although I do have my questions on building an image by constructing pixels as opposed to "painting with light" so to speak, but time will tell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest user8952 Posted December 28, 2006 Share #14 Posted December 28, 2006 It's not a user camera, it's in A+ condition A+ means unused. That means you didn‘t use it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest umb Posted December 28, 2006 Share #15 Posted December 28, 2006 The M8 will be for other things, I have yet to find out what can actually be done with the M8 Not a bad idea:D Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted December 28, 2006 Share #16 Posted December 28, 2006 Ebay is not bad for buying, but for selling can be problematical, as the winner usually only pays just a little more than the 2nd highest bidder, and the winning bid may be a lot less than the winner was actually prepared to pay - to the detriment of the seller. Fux - A+ does not mean unused to me - it just means in really good condition, or nearly like new. You obviously think differently, and that's the real problem of using such descriptions - they mean different things to different people. Bruno Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest umb Posted December 28, 2006 Share #17 Posted December 28, 2006 Ebay is not bad for buying, but for selling can be problematical, as the winner usually only pays just a little more than the 2nd highest bidder, and the winning bid may be a lot less than the winner was actually prepared to pay - to the detriment of the seller. Fux - A+ does not mean unused to me - it just means in really good condition, or nearly like new. You obviously think differently, and that's the real problem of using such descriptions - they mean different things to different people. Bruno A is "like new" A+ is "new" See LEICA bei MEISTER How a camera that hasn't been produced for 20 years can be called new is a different story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSmelik Posted December 28, 2006 Share #18 Posted December 28, 2006 If I was looking for a camera appr 35 years old and I would find one described as carefully used A+ condition, I would think it would be in very good condition, not new.... but very good. I am sure bruno would of noted it being new instead of A+ if it was new ..... if you catch my drift. I'm curious to see how it looks now ..... and Fux, the biblical "though shall honour thy name" shouldn't be taken too seriously Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted December 29, 2006 Share #19 Posted December 29, 2006 Umb The fact that Leica bei Meister uses those descriptions means nothing apart from the fact that that is how they describe cameras. Other shops/people use different descriptive means. If something is new you call it new, not A+ Bruno Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Frisch Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share #20 Posted December 29, 2006 ... Semantics In my optics new is new and A+ is not new, otherwise it would be easier to describe as "new" a description one cannot easily get around for it means exactly what it says, namely NEW. I could call it pristine, excellent+, absolutely mint-, nearly minty, like new (and like new is not new!) The fact is that it's in very good condition, I would call it A+ condition, anyway I'm considering not selling it at all actually, for it is really a nice looking camera ...... some 37 years old, but looks almost new.... A+ I would call it :-) And as a sidestep, Leica bei Meisters' classification of A, B, C, D etc. reflects much more on their pricing policy rather than the condition of their products, where a C classification rather means, "very close to NEW" price ..... Just a though, enough said now, let's move on to some other spectacular subject. Bruno Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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