innerimager Posted December 26, 2006 Share #21 Â Posted December 26, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can report that his prediction that the M8 will appeal only to those with M experience and digital experience does not hold for me. I had no RF experience till an RD-1 ended up in my hands a day before an M8 did. I immediately fell head over heals for RF shooting, I'm sure others will as well. But I certainly have been through several battles in the digital processing wars, and without that, and knowing I like the PP experience, I would likely have passed on the M8......Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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terrycioni Posted December 27, 2006 Share #22  Posted December 27, 2006 I'm pleased to see the re-emergence of the parking lot shot which I think was the first published shot of green blobs, though it was only up for a short time until someone leaned on him to take it down.  Mark,  The GREEN BLOB parking lot shot is on his site in two different articles - one going back to early December. It has been there all along and remains there today. He also used the same shot in his recent <part two> article. In the previous article (I just looked at it) he has it compared with a 5D shot. I am just no sure where your comments are coming from....  This article is dated December 1/06 and contains the green blob parking lot comparison shots.  Leica M8 Solution  This is dated December 26/06 and also contains the green blob parking lot shot.  Leica M8 Take 2  Cheers. Terry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Campbell Posted December 27, 2006 Share #23 Â Posted December 27, 2006 Michael R's summary (both the issues and the praise) seem right on to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 27, 2006 Share #24 Â Posted December 27, 2006 I'm pleased to see the re-emergence of the parking lot shot which I think was the first published shot of green blobs, though it was only up for a short time until someone leaned on him to take it down. Â Mark, Â The GREEN BLOB parking lot shot is on his site in two different articles - one going back to early December. It has been there all along and remains there today. He also used the same shot in his recent <part two> article. In the previous article (I just looked at it) he has it compared with a 5D shot. I am just not sure where your comments are coming from.... Â Cheers. Terry. Â The parking lot shot was taken out -- without mention -- of a still earlier LL enthusiastic review of the M8 because, as Michael Reichman later admitted, he had submitted his first article to Leica for review and they asked him not to include that problem because they knew about it and had a fix or were working on a fix. That put MR and LL in a grey area of trying to do the right thing for both the manufacturer and for the reader/buyer. (In which the manufacturer, who supplies the access that is essential for reviewing, has the upper hand.) Â scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 27, 2006 Share #25 Â Posted December 27, 2006 I am just no sure where your comments are coming from.... Â Terry, the article I referred to was entitled "Leica M8 - A hands-on field review" which was published in October as a follow up to his video blog from Photokina and which showed the pictures of the parking lot for the first time. By his own admission in an update to the article, Leica asked him to revise the article and the parking lot picture disappeared. Â It's all history, but Michael's findings should have caused an immediate halt to the M8 shipping - which had barely started by that time - instead of which they seemed more intent on burying the bad news and are now paying dearly for their mistake. Just think, end of October, planned delivery start at the end of the November, they could probably have sorted this out without a recall and without the glaring publicity which has put their ineptitude under the spot light. Â In the finish, Leica suffered by not taking proper note of what an experienced reviewer was saying, we suffered by having the product mis-represented in an online review. Hopefully, Michael and Leica have learned some lessons. Â So now do you understand where my comments are coming from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycioni Posted December 27, 2006 Share #26 Â Posted December 27, 2006 Â So now do you understand where my comments are coming from? Â Mark, Â Oh My! Well thank you. Â Cheers. Terry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 27, 2006 Share #27  Posted December 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can report that his prediction that the M8 will appeal only to those with M experience and digital experience does not hold for me. I had no RF experience till an RD-1 ended up in my hands a day before an M8 did. I immediately fell head over heals for RF shooting, I'm sure others will as well. But I certainly have been through several battles in the digital processing wars, and without that, and knowing I like the PP experience, I would likely have passed on the M8......Peter  Fair enough-we all fell in love with rangefinders at one point of time - and still bear the scars of that battle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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