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John Z. Goriup

I was going to wait a while, but it seems more than one have taken the time to pursue the story behind this fascinating and remarkable automobile & are aware of the identity of this thing so I think it's time to reveal all. It's the 1935 Hoffman 8X..............and as indicated, it's the only one ever made. The curious thing about this car is that even though it wasn't officially commissioned by one of the big manufacturers there seems to have been enough money available to develop a on


Not a 450, 150, 200 or 300 - rarer than those, with only two original factory cars made, although some have been cobbled together later. Given that you can't measure the engine size from my photo and John is going away I will disclose that it is a 250S. This was the first car to use the new (or at least much revised) four cylinder engine planned for the forthcoming T series birdcage models. The idea was to produce a car with the straight line performance of the 300S but with the lighter and torq


You got it, Philip - Your turn again.  BTW:  this particular one is from 1948, and I saw it on viewing day before an auction house car auction. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!

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The bonnet shut line and scuttle shape suggest a 16/80 (2 litre) Lagonda but the rounded corner windscreen would be very unusual, given that they normally had a square cut framed screen to meet the hood. 


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Hektor -

You continue to amaze me with your near-encyclopedic knowledge of small, automotive details.  It is indeed a 3 1/2 liter Bentley Derby, of mid'30s vintage (I had no opportunity to question the owner).  It's a pleasure to see these old beauties used rather than just being polished and shown.  Your turn.

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Hi Stuart,

Many thanks for the compliment.  It helps to have worked on the cars and could only afford to have many cars in the past by doing my own work.  My greatest pleasure was rebuilding Alfa Romeo 105 engines.

I will find a photo tomorrow as we are heading out to dinner to celebrate my surviving yet another year.  https://www.florentino.com.au/grill/

Keep well,


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vor 2 Stunden schrieb NigelG:

FYI A bit of digging shows it to be a 1937  4 1/4 litre.

A bit of more detailed digging in the entry list of Shamrock Vintage Rally 2022 shows it is a 1936 Derby 4 1/4 litre. Driven by Stuart and Emily A.

But what do we know and who wrote the entry list? 😉

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Hmm, curious.

Going by registration records it was first registered for the road in the UK in March 1937 🤔

I suppose it could have been constructed in (maybe late) 1936 and not registered till the following year. Factory orders/build sheets would show - but maybe we should just appreciate it’s getting properly used!


edit HRCR event entries list it as 1937

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22 hours ago, stuny said:

I guess it's time for a more generous crop on which I've cloned out dead giveaway...

Although I hadn't a clue about the actual vehicle pictured, Stu, I was intrigued by your 'cloned out' remark and duly noticed the bit circled here which certainly helped narrow-down the name of the Manufacturer...

Still didn't help me any, though!


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