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I was going to wait a while, but it seems more than one have taken the time to pursue the story behind this fascinating and remarkable automobile & are aware of the identity of this thing so I think it's time to reveal all. It's the 1935 Hoffman 8X..............and as indicated, it's the only one ever made. The curious thing about this car is that even though it wasn't officially commissioned by one of the big manufacturers there seems to have been enough money available to develop a on

Not a 450, 150, 200 or 300 - rarer than those, with only two original factory cars made, although some have been cobbled together later. Given that you can't measure the engine size from my photo and John is going away I will disclose that it is a 250S. This was the first car to use the new (or at least much revised) four cylinder engine planned for the forthcoming T series birdcage models. The idea was to produce a car with the straight line performance of the 300S but with the lighter and torq

I have several and will search... but here's a really unrecognizable one... 😎 because my dad had some normal cars... but HIS dad even BUILT its own !! he had a small workshop for agri gear... and put some pieces together in 1900, as recorded time ago in our local newspaper (dirty scan hereunder) ... after that (1902)  he was approached by a gentleman from Turin who easily convinced him that making cars needed organization... 😁... and capital... and that was better to sell FIATs instead of making

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My uncle had a Sunbeam 25 re-imported from India with an enormous (and not very attractive) body on the limousine chassis. It looked a bit like a motorised greenhouse. He bought it from the auction following the closure of  a motor museum in the south west of Scotland (? Swords). He had wanted to buy their 3 litre twin cam Sunbeam but was ill on the day of the sale and sent a friend to bid for him. The friend bought the wrong car! His 25 HP had a honeycomb front on the radiator, rather than the slats, which I am guessing might be thermostatic like those on Rolls Royces. 

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3 hours ago, Charles Morgan said:

Good enough - it's a rather lovely Sunbeam 25 DHC seen at the VSCC January event at Brooklands in 2018.

Charles, did you notice the body builder?

In the meantime I will find a photograph of a spark plug !

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With the curved back, it looks rather similar to Charlesworth bodies, as often fitted to Alvis and Talbot cars but it might well be a factory body. The coachbuilder often does not seem to be declared for Sunbeam cars. 

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2 minutes ago, pippy said:

Beautiful...but I've no idea.

I could hazard a rough guess at the silver car in the background if that's any help?

Philip.

Good morning/evening Pippy,  If it helps they were not made in the same country.  The body on the green car was made in Australia.  Pre-war there was considerable tariffs on imported car bodies to protect the local industry.  Sadly many beautiful (I am told) bodies were chopped off their chassis as they sat on the wharves waiting for Customs clearance, and the bodies pushed in to Port Phillip Bay.

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6 minutes ago, hektor said:

Good morning/evening Pippy,  If it helps they were not made in the same country.  The body on the green car was made in Australia.  Pre-war there was considerable tariffs on imported car bodies to protect the local industry.  Sadly many beautiful (I am told) bodies were chopped off their chassis as they sat on the wharves waiting for Customs clearance, and the bodies pushed in to Port Phillip Bay.

Good Gracious! What a shame....although I can, of course, understand the desire to protect local infrastructure and manufacturing at such a difficult period.

I'll sleep on it - it's half-past-midnight at the mo' - and see what a refreshed brain might wriggle-out from the conundrum!

Bonne Nuit a tous!

Philip.

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11 hours ago, hektor said:

Note the upside down headlights as the car is in the Southern Hemisphere

Interesting; I had never previously seen a rearward facing 'Flying B' radiator mascot.

Every Day is a Schoolday!

Philip.

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7 hours ago, pippy said:

Interesting; I had never previously seen a rearward facing 'Flying B' radiator mascot.

Every Day is a Schoolday!

Philip.

Philip, in the thirties all Derby Bentleys had rearward facing mascots.  After the War the forward facing was introduced to allow the bonnet to be opened without having to turn the mascot forward and out of the way.

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2 hours ago, hektor said:

Philip, in the thirties all Derby Bentleys had rearward facing mascots.  After the War the forward facing was introduced to allow the bonnet to be opened without having to turn the mascot forward and out of the way.

Thank you, Hektor, for that wonderful tid-bit!

Unfortunately if that little gem of info had been passed-on by my great-grandfather's chauffeur to 'sundry offspring' it must have been overlooked in the hand-me-downs which ensued...

:lol:

Beautiful little detail and I'm surprised it was something about which I had never read!

Thanks again!

Philip.

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