hektor Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15281 Posted May 12, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said: John, Phantom II Rolls Royces are surprisingly nice to drive, .... Wilson Had a late Barker bodied "Continental" (90SK) which as Wilson said is a a pleasant car to drive. Inclination to understeer when pushed, but assume they were not designed for "hanging the tail": Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4199732'>More sharing options...
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NigelG Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15282 Posted May 12, 2021 Yes - not sure but I thought that it wasn’t intended as a prototype for the road car, and wasn’t intended to race under the ‘prototipo’ designation, so really it’s a “one-off” design study not a prototype? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15283 Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, hektor said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For some reason the image of Cruella De Vil from Walt Disney's "101 Dalmations" driving in a maniacal fashion (pun) springs to mind... Philip. Edited May 12, 2021 by pippy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15284 Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) I’m currently studying Italian at CUNY but haven’t got far enough to tackle any of the original sources...😀. I’m not sure what the actual Pebble Beach description was. I’ll try to find the wording from Villa d’Este... edit - Described simply as “Dino 206S Competizione” with vehicle type listed as “Berlinetta” Edited May 12, 2021 by NigelG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15285 Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, pippy said: Is the yellow car the 1967 Frankfurt Show 206S, Chassis No. 034 (same chassis # as mentioned by Wilson in post 15271), the Paolo Martin-designed Prototipo Berlinetta Competizione by Pininfarina (which latterly was fitted with adjustable front and rear spoilers!)? The reason for the bulky lower half of the doors was to accomodate the curved door windows which opened by sliding downwards into the door recess! Philip. Yes, Philip, the second car, the ' Yellow Ferrari' is the '67 Frankfurt show car. As near as I can retrace this it was officially called the 1967 Dino 206 Berlinetta Prototipo Competizione. After the three original Dino V6-powered 206 race cars finished Lemans and the remainder of the relatively succesful '66 season, Enzo wanted to build 50 of them for homolagtion as FIA Group 4 sports racers. Financial problem and the never-ending Italian labor troubles all conspired to limit production of the Drogo-bodied 206SP to a mere 18 units, making them ineligible for homologation and relegating them to run as 'Prototypes'. Only 17 were actually used by the factory werks and /or privateers as racers with the 18th example (Ser. # 10523 ) being shipped off as a rolling chassis to the Pininfarina studios to receive a Paolo Martin designed ( his first assignment at Pininfarina, at age 23 ) all-aluminum body. The car indeed has one of the Lemans engines installed, which necessitated the 'bulbous' rear quarters to accomodate the tall airbox covering the three Weber 40 DCN 2 carburetors,, a result of Vittorio Jano's redesign of the original Dino Ferrari designed V6 of 1956. The instructions to PF stipulated that the car was to utilize the latest in race technology, and even though the wings were originally painted silver, with the needlessly elaborate & prominent brackets to highlight that the latest technology was indeed being applied to this daring experiment, the wings were redone in black for the Paris show later that year, since all that was about the exact time that the first rudimentary wings started to appear on race cars. Enzo original intent was for this to be the first factory designed and built 'Supercar', combining the latest in race-tech and road-going luxury & legality. The car was well received at the Frankfurt show, but was never put into production because the takover of Ferrari by Agnelli's FIAT occurred less than a year later. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4199738'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15286 Posted May 12, 2021 ..............and from another angle. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4199739'>More sharing options...
hektor Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15287 Posted May 12, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) My experience with beam front axle cars is the wedges between said axle and springs go missing during maintenance or restoration. I am old enough to have enjoyed these cars before most were badly recommissioned. The vintage car in which I have done most miles (not kilometers) was a Speed Six Bentley wherein the steering was not as precise and sensitive as a Phantom II, but was not heavy even at parking speeds, but then I am an ex-rower! I had this car sideways in the wet which impressed the prospective bride riding in the back - slippery wet road and cross-ply tyres. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4199740'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15288 Posted May 12, 2021 A look at the engine compartment. You're next up, Philip. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4199741'>More sharing options...
NigelG Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15289 Posted May 12, 2021 One thing I’m not sure about with the Dino is whether the cables attached to the rear wing allow for trim adjustment of the wing angle while the car is being driven? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15290 Posted May 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, John Z. Goriup said: ...You're next up, Philip... Thank you for the extra photographs, John. I think it's an absolutely stunning thing. The wings were silver in the snaps from the Tanner / Nye book but black in the later volumes so it was interesting to hear they were repainted for Paris. I seem to recall that, originally, the car didn't have them at all which, though losing out on the undeniable 'WOW!' factor, might have been a more beautiful machine. Here's something slightly less rarified!... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4199745'>More sharing options...
hektor Posted May 12, 2021 Share #15291 Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: John, Phantom II Rolls Royces ...... The 7.7 litre engine produced a fairly miserable 122 BHP and that is a gross figure, the net figure being around 110 BHP or about the same as the 1 litre Ecoboost engine in a Ford Fiesta . Wilson Reflecting on Wilson's comments, my thoughts are that Derby and Crewe were more focused on torque; long stoke motors with a comparitively small carburettor for a high gas speed. The torque was so massive that they could be started on a hill in top gear without any shudder. Horsepower was seeminly irrelevant. They were touring cars not sports or racing cars. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 13, 2021 Share #15292 Posted May 13, 2021 The lack of power coupled with often very heavy bodies on the Phantom II, has become more of a problem with modern traffic densities in Europe. It can make overtaking a large slow moving truck a very sweaty palms/white knuckles event. I presume there must have been complaints from P.II owners, hence the move to a V12 for the Phantom III. Sadly this engine was released in an somewhat under-developed state, with problems with the semi-hydraulic tappets, with eccentric bushings and inadequate coolant circulation for the continuous speeds made possible by the improved trunk roads of the late 1930's. One has to wonder if Henry Royce, who died in 1933, still been at the helm, would the P.III problems have been sorted pre-introduction. All the P.III problems are of course all sorted nowadays by subsequent development, mostly by external engineers rather than Rolls Royce themselves. Wilson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 14, 2021 Share #15293 Posted May 14, 2021 No guesses? Shall I post a second snap? Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted May 14, 2021 Share #15294 Posted May 14, 2021 Yes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 14, 2021 Share #15295 Posted May 14, 2021 2 hours ago, stuny said: Yes! Your Wish is My Command! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4200901'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted May 15, 2021 Share #15296 Posted May 15, 2021 This suggests rear engine. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted May 15, 2021 Share #15297 Posted May 15, 2021 Circa 1953 or so Renault 750 JZG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 15, 2021 Share #15298 Posted May 15, 2021 9 hours ago, John Z. Goriup said: Circa 1953 or so Renault 750.. Sorry for the delay I had to resort to google to check that name; I'd only ever heard it called a 4CV but, yes, in some markets it was known as a Renault 750 so Spot On, John. Whole thing; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Over to you for the next beauty! Philip. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Over to you for the next beauty! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4201412'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted May 15, 2021 Share #15299 Posted May 15, 2021 Everytime I see a 4CV I look at the wheels and think of the young Jean Rédélé racing his 4CV Rédélé Speciale before he created his Alpine. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted May 16, 2021 Share #15300 Posted May 16, 2021 11 hours ago, Rona!d said: Everytime I see a 4CV I look at the wheels and think of the young Jean Rédélé racing his 4CV Rédélé Speciale before he created his Alpine. Thanks for the nudge, Ronald! My knowledge of the history of the Alpine brand was scant (to say the least!) so I've done some digging. Very interesting story! Philip. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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