Name this car....

[a.j.z]

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So, not only an ugly copy of the Ferrari GTO, it was also slow?  Was the body made of cardboard?  (okay, that was the Trabant, but the Wartburg seems to have been equally bad).

Well I do not think that it is ugly and it has gullwing doors!

 

Yes, slow, max 165 km/h and more than 13 sec for 100 km/h.

[wlaidlaw]

Considering the limitations Melkus was working under, I think he did a pretty remarkable job. No it was not fast but all it had to do was to blow the doors off a Trabant. It actually looks a bit like the Ecurie Ecosse Tojeiro Buick, which was sold at Goodwood over the week-end.

 

Did anyone watch the live streaming from Goodwood. I thought I would have a quick look and ended up glued to my laptop for the week-end. The last race, the Sussex Trophy was a stunner. Phil Keen in a Lister "knobbly" Jaguar was on pole but his throttle stuck on the formation lap and he had to be pulled back into the pits from the grid. Even though he started from the pits behind the whole field, he worked his way right up to the front over thirty minutes, against some very fast and well driven cars, getting to the front on the second to last lap, beating the Lotus 15 Climax which had lead from the start. The Lister was sideways from the moment it left the pits until it crossed the finish line. Mind you Phil is a younger professional driver, who just did not get the breaks to reach the top levels, whereas a lot of the other drivers are in their 60's or 70's. 

 

I will find another car today. 

 

Wilson

Edited September 11, 2018 by wlaidlaw

[wlaidlaw]

Here is your next one. This one was for sale a few years ago and was being offered as something it was not with a false provenance. It was not very well faked, as the most cursory examination showed. Its value would have been enhanced probably by a multiple of 4 or 5 if it had been better done or real. 

 

Wilson

 

 

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[Toshack10]

I managed to watch the 904 slide into the tyres on an Aston's oil slick, and to see a Lotus Cortina barrel roll

Unfortunately I didn't see much else

[stuny]

1920s?

[wlaidlaw]

1920s?

 

Yes, as I photographed it in 2002 (Digiflex 4.3). A friend looked at what we think was the same car in 2014 in faked up condition, goodness knows what age some of the parts were. He was the very worst person to try and fool, as he is one of the top experts in 1920's and 30's cars from this country. 

[stuny]

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It looks like we need a hint.

[wlaidlaw]

Think of a famous french race track.

[a.j.z]

You mean a car with „Le Mans“ in it‘s name?

[a.j.z]

Or the Circuit Bugatti?

[wlaidlaw]

No a car and marque with a Le Mans history or so claimed by the seller for this actual car. 

[mdp]

Aston Martin Le Mans 1933ish?

[wlaidlaw]

Considerably older and wrong country. Think early days of Le Mans.

[willeica]

I had been thinking about Sarthe or Montlhery. In the case of Sarthe, the only car I could find with that name was a much earlier Schneider. As for Montlhery, I believe that Simca or Renault used that name, but it was much later. I believe that the car is French. Any other clues?

 

William

[wlaidlaw]

I think folks may have misunderstood. This marque and model of car was associated with the early days of the 24 hours of Le Mans. Not the name. 

 

Wilson

[willeica]

Lorraine Dietrich?

 

William

[wlaidlaw]

William - correct - can you make a stab at the model. I would accept either the model it is or the model it was faked up to be after I took this photo. I suspect this started life as a regular tourer and before I took the photo, had a Le Mans style body added. It was then repainted into French racing blue, had a racing exhaust plus cod numbers attached and various other bits of fakery but not very well. It was about as realistic a fake as many FED "Leicas".  

 

Wilson

[willeica]

Probably a B3-6.

 

William

[wlaidlaw]

Correct William. It started life as a 15CV tourer. By the time I saw it in 2002 it had had the chassis shortened and a Le Mans style body on it but was just being described as a 15CV Sports conversion from a tourer. By the time my friend saw it in 2014, it was being claimed it was one of the missing 1924 Lorraine Dietrich Le Mans team B3-6 cars, which in reality had probably been recycled by the factory to become 1925 spec cars (a frequent fate for many racing cars in the 20's and 30's). It had been badly repainted French Blue with white number circles but the dark red from the previous paint job was still evident in many places. It had had a twin carburettor conversion and a racing exhaust. When my friend tried to drive it, he put it into first gear as he thought but it went backwards. He tried a few more times and told the seller he could not get it into first gear. "Oh" the Belgian dealer said "first gear is left and back." This meant it only had the original three speed box of the regular tourer, not even a sports tourer. This immediately made a complete nonsense of it being a team racing car. When he told me this story, I went and found the photo below. We are sure that is the car that was the raw material for the fake. It is a bit like the 250GG on Facebook at the moment but not so well done. The 250GG has no slow speeds or film tightening knob - oops!  Someone said "well my 250GG has no slow speeds either". Nobody has been brave enough to say: "well it was probably made by the same man". 

 

Wilson

 

 

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Hallo,

Look here: Interesting Leica gear

[willeica]

Next one.

 

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