Name this car....

[Lelmer]

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5 hours ago, thomasstellwag said:

if you want to find the car call +49  89 1250 16000   and ask for 502 🙂

Bayerischer nummer? 🙂

[Ivan Goriup]

11 hours ago, thomasstellwag said:

if you want to find the car call +49  89 1250 16000   and ask for 502 🙂

Very clever, but under normal circumstances I would really expect more inforamation, such as year, full model description, etc. but I haven't the time so I'll accept your 502 identification.

1956 BMW 502 Baur Cabriolet, one of 57 produced, and delivered to Siemens in München in June of '56 as a company car for one of their top executives.

SL / 24-90 V.E.

Thanks for participating, your turn Thomas.

JZG

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[thomasstellwag]

7 hours ago, Ivan Goriup said:

Very clever, but under normal circumstances I would really expect more inforamation, such as year, full model description, etc. but I haven't the time so I'll accept your 502 identification.

1956 BMW 502 Baur Cabriolet, one of 57 produced, and delivered to Siemens in München in June of '56 as a company car for one of their top executives.

SL / 24-90 V.E.

Thanks for participating, your turn Thomas.

JZG

 

oh dear, I wanted to avoid that, so I didn't describe it more in detail. I only have a few car pictures. I didn't know it was a company car for Siemens.

The age is exactly mine.  We have the same hairstyle.🙂  I´ll dig in my drive.

[wlaidlaw]

I wonder why these BMW's of the early 1950's were such modest sellers compared with the contemporary Mercedes Benz cars. I think their prices were comparable and performance is perfectly adequate with the V8 (the earlier 6 cylinder 501 I understand, was regarded as slow and too expensive compared with the 220 Mercedes). They are rather pleasant to drive and IMHO a little nicer than the equivalent 300 Adenauer Mercedes with lighter steering and more predictable handling. Was it the reputation of Mercedes or a better and more extensive dealer network that trumped those of BMW? What do others think? 

Wilson

[pedaes]

46 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

What do others think? 

 

BMW were very restricted in the immediate post war years as to what they could produce (first household implements then motorcycles) and when they were allowed to restart car production took the decision to go for large luxury cars. Against the established Mercedes range they were probably judged an unknown quantity, and as you say the dealer infrastructure was not there. I find BMW history from the heavily bombed Munich plant and loss of a facility to East Germany through to the 'New Class' turnaround fascinating. Nowadays the BMW Welt and Museum is the most visited attraction in Germany.

[stuny]

3 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I wonder why these BMW's of the early 1950's were such modest sellers compared with the contemporary Mercedes Benz cars. I think their prices were comparable and performance is perfectly adequate with the V8 (the earlier 6 cylinder 501 I understand, was regarded as slow and too expensive compared with the 220 Mercedes). They are rather pleasant to drive and IMHO a little nicer than the equivalent 300 Adenauer Mercedes with lighter steering and more predictable handling. Was it the reputation of Mercedes or a better and more extensive dealer network that trumped those of BMW? What do others think? 

Wilson

At least in the US prior to Max Hoffman getting control of BMW imports (I encourage you to Google him.  Not only did he set-up import arrangements with European manufacturers, but he had a number of them create models such as the Porsche Speedster and the BMW 507), the Bimmer market in the US was exceptionally small.

[wlaidlaw]

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My father considered getting a BMW 2000 saloon after his disaster with his Mercedes 220 SEC, which was very badly damaged by a drunk driver hitting it when it was only 10 days old. The insurance company refused to write it off, which it should have been, then Mercedes Glasgow made a total hash of repairing it and it never drove straight thereafter. He was put off the BMW by the fact that the nearest dealer was in either Glasgow or Edinburgh over 170 miles away and ended up buying a Ruddspeed Volvo 122 Overdrive, which could be serviced in Fraserburgh, only about 45 miles away. The Ruddspeed Volvo was a rather noisy, thirsty (1  twin choke 50 DCOE Weber) and rough riding machine and I suspect he might have been better off with the BMW. 

Wilson

[stuny]

32 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

My father considered getting a BMW 2000 saloon after his disaster with his Mercedes 220 SEC, which was very badly damaged by a drunk driver hitting it when it was only 10 days old. The insurance company refused to write it off, which it should have been, then Mercedes Glasgow made a total hash of repairing it and it never drove straight thereafter. He was put off the BMW by the fact that the nearest dealer was in either Glasgow or Edinburgh over 170 miles away and ended up buying a Ruddspeed Volvo 122 Overdrive, which could be serviced in Fraserburgh, only about 45 miles away. The Ruddspeed Volvo was a rather noisy, thirsty (1  twin choke 50 DCOE Weber) and rough riding machine and I suspect he might have been better off with the BMW. 

Wilson

In the fall of 1968, the Air force sent me from my base in North Dakota out to Lompoc, California (near Santa Barbara) for a temporary duty assignment.  While there one of the field grade officers showed me his Gullwing and his FIAT 124 Sport Coupe.  That put me on the path towards trading in my 1966 Mustang Fastback V8.  Among the choices were Saab, Volvo, BMW (I think it was a 2000) and the FIAT.  We chose the FIAT, but with the closest dealer 120 miles south in Fargo North, Dakota I also bought $300 (1968 dollars) worth of parts.  I loved that car.

[graphlex]

6 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I wonder why these BMW's of the early 1950's were such modest sellers compared with the contemporary Mercedes Benz cars. I think their prices were comparable and performance is perfectly adequate with the V8 (the earlier 6 cylinder 501 I understand, was regarded as slow and too expensive compared with the 220 Mercedes). They are rather pleasant to drive and IMHO a little nicer than the equivalent 300 Adenauer Mercedes with lighter steering and more predictable handling. Was it the reputation of Mercedes or a better and more extensive dealer network that trumped those of BMW? What do others think? 

Wilson

I had a 1969 BMW 2000 when I was in law school. The car was crippled by its catalytic converter, and struggled to go up hills.  Handling would have been fine if the engine hadn’t been so anemic.  I had nearly killed myself in the 1965 Skylark it replaced…

[Lelmer]

1 hour ago, graphlex said:

I had a 1969 BMW 2000 when I was in law school. The car was crippled by its catalytic converter, and struggled to go up hills.  Handling would have been fine if the engine hadn’t been so anemic.  I had nearly killed myself in the 1965 Skylark it replaced…

A catalytic converter on a 69 BMW?

[graphlex]

52 minutes ago, Lelmer said:

A catalytic converter on a 69 BMW?

Not sure if it was a catalytic converter, but it was a device required under new smog control rules.  The car didn’t have fuel injection, and the transmission was a leisurely 3-speed ZF automatic.  

A friend suggested I take it to Peter Seferian in Cambridge for a tuneup. He tried, but wrung his hands.

Edited July 29, 2023 by graphlex
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[wlaidlaw]

My brother and I both had BMW 2002 Ti's. His was far less tired than mine but he rolled it and wrote it off. I bought the remains for £50 from the insurance company and used its far younger components to rejuvenate mine and then sold the rest for £100 - win/win. I then needed to replace the water pump on mine just after I had sold my spares car, when we lived in Essex, soon after we were married. The radiator had to be removed to do this and I realised I had no gasket compound (Hylomar Blue) but there was an excellent motor factors at the end of the road we lived on. Sadly by the time I returned with the Hylomar some 10 to 15 minutes later, the local scrappies had driven up our road, spotted the BMW radiator and loaded it onto their truck. Luckily I still had the original copper radiator out of the Broadspeed 1600 Escort, that I had had some time before and replaced with an aluminium one, sitting in my garage. I fitted it in with some trepidation in the BMW but it worked perfectly for the next 50,000 miles. 

Wilson

[IkarusJohn]

22 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

My brother and I both had BMW 2002 Ti's. His was far less tired than mine but he rolled it and wrote it off. I bought the remains for £50 from the insurance company and used its far younger components to rejuvenate mine and then sold the rest for £100 - win/win. I then needed to replace the water pump on mine just after I had sold my spares car, when we lived in Essex, soon after we were married. The radiator had to be removed to do this and I realised I had no gasket compound (Hylomar Blue) but there was an excellent motor factors at the end of the road we lived on. Sadly by the time I returned with the Hylomar some 10 to 15 minutes later, the local scrappies had driven up our road, spotted the BMW radiator and loaded it onto their truck. Luckily I still had the original copper radiator out of the Broadspeed 1600 Escort, that I had had some time before and replaced with an aluminium one, sitting in my garage. I fitted it in with some trepidation in the BMW but it worked perfectly for the next 50,000 miles. 

Wilson

Wilson, you should write a book!

[thomasstellwag]

ok, I found a car for posting - its a three wheel transporter 

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[wlaidlaw]

That looks a bit like a Framo TV300. 

Wilson

[ramarren]

On 7/29/2023 at 7:53 AM, stuny said:

At least in the US prior to Max Hoffman getting control of BMW imports (I encourage you to Google him.  Not only did he set-up import arrangements with European manufacturers, but he had a number of them create models such as the Porsche Speedster and the BMW 507), the Bimmer market in the US was exceptionally small.

Never mind the classic Merc 300SL gullwing coupe... 

G

[thomasstellwag]

1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said:

That looks a bit like a Framo TV300. 

Wilson

you are fast and very near

It is a Framo but not the 300, there was a version with smaller engine, that one could drive without licence

 

 

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Edited July 30, 2023 by thomasstellwag

[thomasstellwag]

the 300s I know, had the cylinder horizontal

[wlaidlaw]

There is no information on the the Framo small engined trike in English in my various reference books and the internet. Lots on their more conventional looking tricars, looking a bit like an early Reliant and their commercial vehicles and their lightweight cyclecars. The only one I could find with a front wheel mounted engine (?friction or chain drive) was the 300. 

Wilson

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[thomasstellwag]

ok. there is information on the Framo page, but I think you are so near to the truth that it should count a solved and you are the winner.

on the page of this repair shop there are some pics showing the rebuilt of this car and they as well name it Framo 200.

Here is the framo page in German:      https://f-r-a-m-o.de/geschichte/firmengeschichte/