Manoleica Posted February 22, 2015 Share #7261 Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I believe the 3 wheeled vehicle is a Mathis VL333.. There is a Google image available, but I will not Post until a moderator gives permission.. Edited February 22, 2015 by manoleica Added info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 Hi Manoleica, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted February 22, 2015 Share #7262 Posted February 22, 2015 Sir, I do not know to which Post are referring.My comments related to the Post containing the image of the 3 wheeled vehicle.. Yes and I said that that on the torn remains of the dust cover of the book (Voitures Modernes pub. 1951) from which this three wheel car image came, there is a picture of the author holding a camera which I think is an LTM with a Leicameter on top and in an every ready case. It is more probably the photographer, as there is another picture of a different man, without a camera in the other half of the triangle (not copied). He is smoking a cigarette, actually between his lips not fingers as I said, when I look again. So when you nit picked, saying that you thought that all pictures were supposed to be taken with Leica cameras, I said that in view of the picture below, the image of the three wheel car might well have been taken with a Leica. Having to have this sort of conversation is rather depressing, on what to date, has been a very friendly thread. Can we now PLEASE get back to guessing cars! Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2768713'>More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted February 22, 2015 Share #7263 Posted February 22, 2015 To, wlaidlaw, your explanation is much appreciated. Having read many of your Post's I have always assumed your attributes to be well earned, one extra attribute I would add - "nose in the air" - I too have run the London - Brighton, definately an experience all modern motorists should have.. As you commented, let's return to "Name this Car".. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted February 22, 2015 Share #7264 Posted February 22, 2015 Gents, I´d like to encourage you coming back to "just" cars and not "well earned attributes". As for this "special" thread we also shouldn´t discuss the cameras used too hard. I guess this thread would be dead soon. thx 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted February 22, 2015 Share #7265 Posted February 22, 2015 Getting back to Wilson's post #7248, even though its one wheel short, it certainly bears a strong resemblance to the Porsche Typ 64 '39 Berlin-Rome Streamliner. ( please see scanned photo ) Not ready to committ and state the two are actually related, but I'm pretty sure it must be German. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2768969'>More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted February 22, 2015 Share #7266 Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Hi, I'm thankful to Wiki:- Mathis (cars) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia uncanny resemblance between the 2... Edited February 22, 2015 by manoleica Added Info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 23, 2015 Share #7267 Posted February 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I believe the 3 wheeled vehicle is a Mathis VL333..There is a Google image available, but I will not Post until a moderator gives permission.. Goggle even displays the same picture posted by Wilson... ...(or, at least, taken in the same location, with same people on board) : really a strange beast... but in the '50s there had been an incredible number of odd microcars around Europe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 24, 2015 Share #7268 Posted February 24, 2015 A Mathis 333 as people say. The same book explains 3 wheels, 3 seats and 3 litres/100km. It has a 2 cylinder, water cooled, side valve, aluminium flat twin engine, where each cylinder has its own thermo-syphon radiator. The car was also all made of aluminium, for which, unlike steel, there were plentiful supplies post war. It only weighed just over 370kg. 10 prototypes were made but Emile Mathis did not receive the expected government grant to put it into production. He was rather vocal about collaborators from the Vichy government still being in positions of authority in the civil service post war and this did not go down well. I believe two examples remain, one running. Mathis was technically born German in occupied Alsace Lorraine, started making cars there in the early 1900's, including Bugatti's earliest designs. He was conscripted into the German army in WW1 but when sent to Switzerland with a bag of cash to buy trucks in 1916, defected to the French with the cash. His cars were successful in the 1920's and he was France's largest exporter of cars to the USA in the 1920's. His company was bought by Henry Ford in the 1930's to make badge engineered Fords. During WW2 he provided the allies with maps and blueprints to assist with bombing and sabotage of his factories, then making shells and other armaments for the Axis powers. Post war, he was heavily criticised by the French authorities for having done this (you wonder whose side they were on). The next car on from the 333, was logically the 666, which had a flat 6 engine, six seats and six gears. Its styling was very advanced if somewhat challenging. It also never went beyond the prototype stage. By this time Emile was in his mid 70's and must have been running out of steam a bit. He died in the early 1950's, a bitterly disappointed man. I assume the Google image must have been copied from "Voitures Modernes" or it may also have appeared in other books, as I don't imagine there are that many contemporaneous photos of the 333 and that one could have ended up in some photo agency. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted February 24, 2015 Share #7269 Posted February 24, 2015 A great story and history lesson. There is an untold story of Mathis and the Belgium Resistance (mostly undocumented). I'm looking forward to continued enjoyment of this Post.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted February 28, 2015 Share #7270 Posted February 28, 2015 I'll send a message to Jim to remind him it's his turn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 4, 2015 Share #7271 Posted March 4, 2015 Jim's not responding. Who would like to post a puzzle car? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnK Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7272 Posted March 5, 2015 Stuart, it's rather late but first thing in morning I'll post. I've been waiting as have too many vintage car pics. Actually one is exactly what u shot. Can't wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnK Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7273 Posted March 5, 2015 I believe only 9 were made. The other views are fab. This is as shot, no cropping, so it may be just easy for you guys. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2774991'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7274 Posted March 5, 2015 Shawn - Thanks for stepping in. I'm sure Wilson and Ronald will know this one, but I do not. It looks fascinating, well photographed, and I look forward to seeing the entire car. Probably European from the '30s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7275 Posted March 5, 2015 T87? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnK Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7276 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Sorry Wison, not T87. Though I must say they do look eerily similar if T87's back fin was removed, but the the profile do not match. Stuart, U're right @ 30s. 1936 to be precise. Hint; Not a European. Edited March 5, 2015 by ShawnK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7277 Posted March 5, 2015 My other thought was an Adler Trumph but as you say, not European. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7278 Posted March 5, 2015 Most likely the US. Hmmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7279 Posted March 5, 2015 I'm almost sorry I consulted Google and found the Stout Scarab. It wasn't nearly as good looking as I hoped, but it seems to be a forerunner of the minivans of today. I still look forward to seeing your complete photo, which from the crop looks well executed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 5, 2015 Share #7280 Posted March 5, 2015 The contemporary reports talk of excellent handling of the Scarab. With a flathead V8 located above the rear axle, giving a high centre of gravity and swing axles, which have a very low roll centre, I would have thought that the handling would have more likely fallen into the "interesting" category Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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