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On the Colorado Grand Rally last year, someone turned up at one of our lunch stops in a magnificent Bel Air low rider hotrod of this period, painted in many layers of hand rubbed violet metal-flake. It even had correct period Hallibrand centre lock magnesium wheels with the three ear knock off lugs. The only thing that spoilt it IMHO was the shiny vinyl/naugahyde interior upholstery, although again I suppose technically correct. There are few things nastier than trying to peel yourself off a vinyl seat in hot weather.

 

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OK... what about this one? A picture of the whole car - what is it though (including year)?

 

And yes, that is me and my twins ... a few years ago!

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1900 De Dion Bouton maybe but far from sure as I think they had the tiller shaft at the side not in the centre?

 

Progress at this time was startling, going from this sort of car in just three to four years to our 4 cylinder, four speed gearbox Panhard 20HP, which has normal pedal type controls and wheel steering, albeit it has a fiendishly difficult quadrant gear change but is capable of over 50 MPH. Then just two years later in 1906, the Silver Ghost was available, which apart from the brakes, you can drive pretty much like a modern car for thousands of miles, without any thought of a breakdown, as long as you grease and oil it every morning.

 

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1900 De Dion Bouton maybe but far from sure as I think they had the tiller shaft at the side not in the centre?

 

Progress at this time was startling, going from this sort of car in just three to four years to our 4 cylinder, four speed gearbox Panhard 20HP, which has normal pedal type controls and wheel steering, albeit it has a fiendishly difficult quadrant gear change but is capable of over 50 MPH. Then just two years later in 1906, the Silver Ghost was available, which apart from the brakes, you can drive pretty much like a modern car for thousands of miles, without any thought of a breakdown, as long as you grease and oil it every morning.

 

Wilson

 

Not the de Dion. Wrong country of manufacture and a little later too.

 

Tiller is in the centre. Max speed is about 25mph (leaning forwards to reduce wind resistance). 2 forward gears.

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I was just looking at my Encyclopaedia of the Automobile and there are hundreds of small makers in the USA in the 1902 - 1904 era. I would guess that many of them will have only made a few examples before either merging with competitors or going bust.

 

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I was just looking at my Encyclopaedia of the Automobile and there are hundreds of small makers in the USA in the 1902 - 1904 era. I would guess that many of them will have only made a few examples before either merging with competitors or going bust.

 

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There really were ... this is a 1902 Pierce (US manufacturer). It actually works pretty well (goes up hills and all sorts!), unlike a lot of the cars of that era. Belongs to a friend... interesting to drive to say the least. The other thing is that the coach builders can be different for every car, so you don't stand too much of a chance of identifying them from the body work alone.

 

I have come across some older cars with rod ignition - basically instead of a spark plug, a metal rod going into the cylinder with an acetylene flame under one end, providing constant ignition... a bit hit and miss at best! Most of them have long been converted to electric ignition.

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I have come across some older cars with rod ignition - basically instead of a spark plug, a metal rod going into the cylinder with an acetylene flame under one end, providing constant ignition... a bit hit and miss at best! Most of them have long been converted to electric ignition.

 

...not least as on quality cars, the hot tube was sometimes made of platinum and the scrap value exceeded the cost of converting to spark ignition. :)

 

Back in the late 1960's, I was the riding mechanic on the London to Brighton run on a 1903 80HP Mercedes racer, managing the multiple drip lubricators, pumping fuel pressure and when travelling slowly, using a paint brush to grease the drive chains. A pretty terrifying experience as the mechanic sits with his elbow disturbingly close to one of the huge thrashing drive chains. We were doing close to 100MPH on the approach road to Brighton. My last London to Brighton 2 years ago in the 20HP Panhard seemed a very civilised cruise in comparison.

 

The development of 'O' ring sealed drive chains (our Panhard is dual chain drive to a dead axle), has made them far more reliable and not requiring lubrication every few miles. I have just changed the drive chain on my Yamaha Raptor 700R ATV for the first time after over 15,000 miles and only because I felt it should be done, when I renewed the worn drive sprocket.

 

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Wilson -

 

Is it your turn?

 

Stuart,

 

No, looking back it is JDLaing's turn. I just received the video of the Colorado Grand and I hoped there would be lots of stills as well but no. The video is also a bit of a mess with too many talking heads saying how great they thought the rally was and the shots of the cars ruined by "arty crafty" production values (multi-imaging and out of focus shots), so I cannot even grab an image worthy of the name.

 

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Just for fun, in the meantime, I was reading an old car book I bought at a second hand shop and came across the car below. I had just heard of the maker but did not think they had made anything like this. What is it, maker, model and date?

 

Apologies for the poor quality photo scanned from the book.

 

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Hi,

being nit picking, surely the image should/must have been taken with a Leica Camera/Lens combination..

 

The author is posing with a LTM (and a cigarette between his fingers) on the remains of the dust cover of the book, so this image might well have been taken with a Leica. :)

 

Just trying to keep the thread going. At a guess quite a few of the images posted over the years that this thread has been going, will not have been taken with a Leica.

 

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The author is posing with a LTM (and a cigarette between his fingers) on the remains of the dust cover of the book, so this image might well have been taken with a Leica. :)

 

Just trying to keep the thread going. At a guess quite a few of the images posted over the years that this thread has been going, will not have been taken with a Leica.

 

Wilson

 

Sir, I do not know to which Post are referring.

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the image of the 3 wheeled vehicle..

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