Erik_A Posted April 27, 2010 Share #1 Posted April 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am thinking about a new wide-angle take everywhere camera and was considering an M8. I read that the Sony NEX-3 and NEX-5 will be announced on May 11th Almost official--Sony's mirrorless system to be named NEX - Digital Cameras - Crave - CNET Asia Do you think that this will be a decent alternative to the M8 with 21mm 2.8 The Sony has a 1.5x APS-C 14 megapixel ExmorHD sensor Sony gives NEX3 and NEX5 names to its first ultra-compact interchangeable lens cameras -- Engadget The 16mm F2.8 IS pancake lens will have a 24mm equivalent FOV. I am thinking that for much less money I could get a decent wide-angle solution with much higher image quality than the M8 in a smaller size but with similar background blur as the M8 w/ 21mm. Any thoughts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thinkfloyd Posted April 27, 2010 Share #2 Posted April 27, 2010 I don't think background blur will be the same since the Sony will have a 16mm lens as compared to the 21mm w/ M8. 16mm and 21mm are different beasts, with the 16mm having much bigger DOF... unless I misunderstood what you mean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 27, 2010 Share #3 Posted April 27, 2010 (edited) An APS-C 16mm has approx. the same DoF as an APS-H 17mm or a FF 20mm lens. Those new Sonys should compete with the Samsung nx10 if they have an electronic viewfinder as expected. No rangefinder though apparently. Edited April 27, 2010 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 27, 2010 Share #4 Posted April 27, 2010 What makes you think this will give you much higher quality than an M8? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted April 27, 2010 Share #5 Posted April 27, 2010 (edited) The M system is much more versatil. If you fall in love with the rangefinder you can add a film camera for little money or upgrade to full frame later- all with the same great lenses. Further it offers a huge variety of lenses - new and very old ones. Regards Steve Edited April 27, 2010 by Steve Ash Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami G Posted April 27, 2010 Share #6 Posted April 27, 2010 What makes you think this will give you much higher quality than an M8? Yes, I was about to ask... And of course, it would not be a rangefinder... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arminw Posted April 27, 2010 Share #7 Posted April 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Every camera you look at will be an alternative to the M8 ! All of those cameras take pictures... some better, some worse. It's about your style and your philosophy when it comes to taking pictures. The camera is your tool, your third eye so buy and use what compliments your creativity and don't look for alternatives . Every year , we have new alternatives ... don't you think it's more important to get a camera you can use for years , learn how to use it and then work it ? Get the M8, some decent lenses and have fun ... ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik_A Posted April 27, 2010 Author Share #8 Posted April 27, 2010 I agree I love Leica, however I don't really want my street camera to cost more than my car and (with the M8) have worse high ISO performance than a $500 camera. The crop factor 1.3 vs 1.5x is similar. The Sony sensor should be one of the best high ISO APS sensors on the market. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted April 27, 2010 Share #9 Posted April 27, 2010 The need for high iso is highly overrated. Regards Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted April 27, 2010 Share #10 Posted April 27, 2010 The need for high iso is highly overrated...........only by those that don't need /want/use it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami G Posted April 27, 2010 Share #11 Posted April 27, 2010 I agree I love Leica, however I don't really want my street camera to cost more than my car and (with the M8) have worse high ISO performance than a $500 camera. The crop factor 1.3 vs 1.5x is similar. The Sony sensor should be one of the best high ISO APS sensors on the market. This is all fine, but why are you posting it on the Leica forum?!!! BTW, you likely to find Leica M users with with multiply systems (I, for once, have a full Canon systems with some of the best L lenses, a few p&s, various options to use when I need the very high iso...) but still, most of us are here because we end up using our Leicas. the existence of other, newer cameras is not a secret that is hidden from Leica users. And by all means- you are very welcome NOT to join the leica M club ; >) ps. did you see an illustration of the difference between crop 1.5 and 1.3? it is very far from being 'similar' and the effect on depth of field is far from negligible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstotler Posted April 27, 2010 Share #12 Posted April 27, 2010 The need for high iso is highly overrated. Steve--I respectfully disagree. Clean high ISO (something higher than 320) is my tipping point. They can add whatever features they want to the future Ms, but I'm not buying a new M until it can shoot an ISO 1250 that looks and behaves like today's 160. Full-frame? Eh, OK. 17MP. Eh, OK. No cut filters? Eh, OK. Etc. and etc. I'm willing to wait and will be a while. Yes, I can push in post. I'd rather get it in camera. But maybe I'm misreading your comment--to what are you reacting? Thanks, Will Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik_A Posted April 27, 2010 Author Share #13 Posted April 27, 2010 This is all fine, but why are you posting it on the Leica forum?!!! ps. did you see an illustration of the difference between crop 1.5 and 1.3? it is very far from being 'similar' and the effect on depth of field is far from negligible. I guess I am trying to convince myself that it is still a good idea to buy a used M8 that I have my eye on. No - do you have a link to n illustration of the difference between crop 1.5 and 1.3? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami G Posted April 27, 2010 Share #14 Posted April 27, 2010 I guess I am trying to convince myself that it is still a good idea to buy a used M8 that I have my eye on. No - do you have a link to n illustration of the difference between crop 1.5 and 1.3? Here's one: DPanswers: Crop factor Let me tell you a secret: if you are into rangefinder photography, get the M8. Nothing else would not make you enjoy shooting as much (Again, unless you are looking for auto-everything etc). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 27, 2010 Share #15 Posted April 27, 2010 ...why are you posting it on the Leica forum?!!!... Why not if i may ask? People like me are interested in compact cameras like those Sonys. We're expecting something like that from Panasonic and/or PanaLeica. Source: US Patent Application Publication Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 27, 2010 Share #16 Posted April 27, 2010 What makes you think this will give you much higher quality than an M8? Why of course because it's NEW! and SHINY!! and FULL of ELECTRONICS!!! Regards, Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 27, 2010 Share #17 Posted April 27, 2010 ... We're expecting something like that from Panasonic and/or PanaLeica. ... Not only 'expecting' but "hoping for." BTW, Erik, thanks for the thread. First I'd heard of the NEX (another dumb name like α, IMHO). I'm glad for the heads-up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 27, 2010 Share #18 Posted April 27, 2010 <snip> I don't really want my street camera to cost more than my car <snip>. You're not spending enough on your cars... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami G Posted April 27, 2010 Share #19 Posted April 27, 2010 Why not if i may ask? People like me are interested in compact cameras like those Sonys. We're expecting something like that from Panasonic and/or PanaLeica. Source: US Patent Application Publication My point was simple (and was fully answered by the original poster- in saying that he is hesitating whether to buy Leica). If a non-Leica user posts on the Leica forum a post rationalizing why he is going to buy a non-Leica camera over a Leica camera- that is quit irrelevant to the Leica forum. As I answered- not only that many of us are interested in such cameras- many of us actually end up buying them... THAT was not my aim to deny... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 27, 2010 Share #20 Posted April 27, 2010 Was he hesitating or rationalizing? Does this make a difference? I don't think so. AFAIK non-Leica users are welcome here and comparisons may be made between Leica and non-Leica stuff fortunately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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