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I am thinking to buy also an M 8 next to my DMR.

Are there Leica members who have a DMR and ALSO the M 8 ?

What is the difference in image quality ?

I am very happy with the DMR and will I be also happy ( or more happy) with the M 8 ?

 

Thanks. Greetings, Rob

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Dear Albert, I also wait till I hear of read if the 1.3 is a real improvement.

1.1. works fine for me. 5 or 6000 ( or more ?) images in 2006 and two of our freelancers who works for us in busy days have a DX2 and a Mark II. The DMR beat both in sharpness and image quality !!!

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Beautiful image Rob. just breathtaking and so happy it has proven good for you, it's nice to hear a recommendation that turns out postive on all counts.

 

Happy Holidays to you and your family.

 

Guy

 

 

 

Dear Guy, you have the DMR also the M 8 or make I a mistake ?

I have plans to buy an m 8 too.

 

Is there quality difference between the DMR and the M 8 ? is there a "winner" or are both superb ? Thanks and greetings, Rob

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Rob,

 

I just got the DMR, firmware is 1.2.

So far I love the camera !!

I'm clearly an SLR guy and while my M8 is probably slightly better as far as image quality (mostly noise and DR), I was stunned by the DMR nonetheless.

Colors are great, better indeed than those from the M8.

 

White balance is off though, too warm.

I always shoot in raw so no big deal, but, as with the M8, I'd prefer both cameras to show more accurate images on their LCDs.

The superimposed histogram is very nice.

 

Handling is surprisingly good, despite the clumsy appereance and I do feel the lighter weight compared to my 1Ds.

 

I didn't shoot anything worth showing yet, I was busy with Christmas time and I used the M8 for the few "family shots", but I will surely put some here in the next days.

 

As a side note I have some problems with the 280/4 Apo I bought used last month, it is not up to my expectations, maybe I'll send it to Leica for adjustments.

 

 

Ciao :)

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Rob,

 

I just got the DMR, firmware is 1.2.

So far I love the camera !!

I'm clearly an SLR guy and while my M8 is probably slightly better as far as image quality (mostly noise and DR), I was stunned by the DMR nonetheless.

Colors are great, better indeed than those from the M8.

 

White balance is off though, too warm.

I always shoot in raw so no big deal, but, as with the M8, I'd prefer both cameras to show more accurate images on their LCDs.

The superimposed histogram is very nice.

 

Handling is surprisingly good, despite the clumsy appereance and I do feel the lighter weight compared to my 1Ds.

 

I didn't shoot anything worth showing yet, I was busy with Christmas time and I used the M8 for the few "family shots", but I will surely put some here in the next days.

 

As a side note I have some problems with the 280/4 Apo I bought used last month, it is not up to my expectations, maybe I'll send it to Leica for adjustments.

 

 

Ciao :)

 

Marco:

 

Download firmware 1.1 from the Leica site and that will cure the display being too warm. The only benefit I have seen with 1.2 is faster card write, but that doesn't out weigh the bugs in 1.2 unless you are shooting sports.

 

The DMR will allow you to go from 1.2 to 1.1 without any problems. After you get to 1.1, the camera will want to reformat the card, as 1.2 used fat32 and 1.1 fat file systems. At least I think that is the difference. Version 1.2 formatted cards will often have problems in Macs too in case you have problems reading your 1.2 shots.

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Thank you Robert.

 

I think I'll install the 1.1 then.

 

So far no problems on my Mac reading from 1.2 formatted cards, but my brother gifted me with a nice Epson P-2000 and apart from the lack of DNG support, it doesn't read the SD from both the DMR and the M8.

I tried with jpegs only, but it keeps showing a message that the card doesn't contain data...

 

Maybe it is a fat32 issue ? If so, is the M8 fat32 too ?

 

I'd really like to be able to use the Epson as its monitor is outstanding.

Do you know if the newest versions announced at Photokina support DNGs ?

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Rob,

 

I just got the DMR, firmware is 1.2.

So far I love the camera !!

I'm clearly an SLR guy and while my M8 is probably slightly better as far as image quality (mostly noise and DR), I was stunned by the DMR nonetheless.

Colors are great, better indeed than those from the M8.

 

White balance is off though, too warm.

I always shoot in raw so no big deal, but, as with the M8, I'd prefer both cameras to show more accurate images on their LCDs.

The superimposed histogram is very nice.

 

Handling is surprisingly good, despite the clumsy appereance and I do feel the lighter weight compared to my 1Ds.

 

I didn't shoot anything worth showing yet, I was busy with Christmas time and I used the M8 for the few "family shots", but I will surely put some here in the next days.

 

As a side note I have some problems with the 280/4 Apo I bought used last month, it is not up to my expectations, maybe I'll send it to Leica for adjustments.

 

 

Ciao :)

 

 

Dear Macusque, download 1.1. and the too warm color is disappeared. I had download 1.2 but I removed it and Guy send me 1.1.

 

Now you can download it from the site from leica.

But the DMR is fabulous !!

Heavy but superb to handle. What kind of problems do you have with the 280 ?

He was used and not new ? had the last owner an accident wth these Apo ?

Solms is very good with there service.

Are yo an professional ? Then is the time of repair much shorter.

Andrea Frankl is the service manager for pro's.

 

Good luck and greetings, Rob

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Marco:

 

Download firmware 1.1 from the Leica site and that will cure the display being too warm. The only benefit I have seen with 1.2 is faster card write, but that doesn't out weigh the bugs in 1.2 unless you are shooting sports.

 

The DMR will allow you to go from 1.2 to 1.1 without any problems. After you get to 1.1, the camera will want to reformat the card, as 1.2 used fat32 and 1.1 fat file systems. At least I think that is the difference. Version 1.2 formatted cards will often have problems in Macs too in case you have problems reading your 1.2 shots.

 

Yes, good advice !! I removed 1.2 and install 1.1. again. That was much better on my DMR.

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Rob,

 

the 280/4 Apo I bought used (non ROM) is slighty soft wide open, only at f/8 it is sharp, though again not on par with, say, the 100 Apo Macro.

 

Do you think that at Leica they could adjust a "bad" sample or maybe it is better to find another copy ?

I'm not a pro and I could live without the lens for a while.

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Marco, this lens ought to be one of the sharpest lenses ever made, from wide open. I am almost certain that Leica would do anything to get it within spec. The question is what happened to it. I cannot imagine that it left Leica that lame, M8 problems notwithstanding.

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Carsten,

 

I bought the lens used from a Fredmiranda forum member, located in the Netherlands.

I got it along with other used Leica-R lenses, which perform flawlessly.

The seller is a very nice person and an old Leica user, still shooting with film.

I trust him but maybe he found the lens adequate like it is.

Perhaps I'm too picky, but I'm used to high quality long lenses, I just sold my Canon 300/2.8L IS.

 

The problem for me is messing with Leica repair and/if they could actually do something to the lens without spending a small fortune.

I was asked for almost 300 € only to add ROM contacts, I don't know how much they'd charge for a repair which could include elements adjustment or replacement (!)

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The problem for me is messing with Leica repair and/if they could actually do something to the lens without spending a small fortune.

I was asked for almost 300 € only to add ROM contacts, I don't know how much they'd charge for a repair which could include elements adjustment or replacement (!)

 

In my experience, having Leica do a full service on a lens costs about €150. This would not add ROM contacts, but would mean that the lens performs as close to the factory output as possible.

 

Unless you really need ROM contacts, I wouldn't worry about them. Most of my R lenses don't have them, and they all work perfectly with my R4, R8 and DMR.

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Version 1.2 formatted cards will often have problems in Macs too in case you have problems reading your 1.2 shots.

 

I have had no problems at all reading v1.2 formatted cards with OSX 10.4.8.

 

The images do tend towards "warm" though...

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Thanks Andy,

 

I'm not interested in adding ROM contacts as I just discovered that DMR shows the actual aperture in exif even with non-ROM lenses.

 

If the cost of an up-to-specs service is about 150 € I will try for sure. :)

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Thanks Andy,

 

I'm not interested in adding ROM contacts as I just discovered that DMR shows the actual aperture in exif even with non-ROM lenses.

 

I'm afraid that's not true...

 

I have a 560mm f6.8 Telyt which doesn't register with the R8/DMR.

 

Nor does my 19mm f 2.8

 

Or my 70-200 Tele-Elmarit

 

Or my 90 Elmarit-R

 

ONLY my ROM'd lenses (the 28 and the 50) register the aperture with the DMR.

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Well... I know it sounds strange, giving that also the DMR manual states at page 68 that aperture with non-ROM equipped lenses is not displayed.

 

But believe me, both my non-ROM lenses (100 Apo Macro and 280 Apo) show the correct aperture in the info display and in the exif as well.

I tried manual, aperture priority, program and shutter priority and the DMR always records the used aperture.

 

Maybe it is something in the 1.2 firmware ?

 

 

P.S. Obviously the 280+1.4x combo doesn't transmit the used aperture, f/1 is displayed on the info/exif and no aperture value is displayed in the R9 viewfinder.

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