grober Posted December 13, 2006 Share #1 Posted December 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Received this morning in response to my e-mail query to Metz yesterday: "Unfortunately, a Leica M8 was still not checked by our company in detail. Therefore it is still not mentioned on Metz - always first class. - also. But after a quick check we know that a M8 is equipped with nearly the same electronic as a Digilux2 providing "guide number control". For usiing that kind of flash control we recommend to use a powerful Metz flash unit like a 44 MZ-2, 54 MZ-4i, 45 CL-4 digital or 76 MZ-5 digital which has to be supplied with adapter SCA3502 M5. The mentioned above combos allows the following flash features: - Flash readiness on camera - Correct exposure light on camera - Automatic flash sync speed - Flash exposure compensation (in GNC) - Guide number control GNC - Triggering control (Auto Flash) - 2nd curtain sync - Power zoom control - Indication of flash coverage - Wake-up function (not with hand helds) This info will be showing on Metz - always first class. - as soon as we will have checked a M8 in detail. See also user manual of SCA3502 finding attached and compare with Digilux2." Of course, the vast bulk of the phootgraphy I intend to do with the M8 will be available light BUT a tightly integrated Metz unit would be a definite plus. Privately, I hope Metz brings to the M8 a newer and physically smaller flash unit, but still shoe-mounted unit, with a semi-articulated flash head. -g Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 Hi grober, Take a look here Metz flash on the M8?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Riley Posted December 13, 2006 Share #2 Posted December 13, 2006 M8 is equipped with nearly the same electronic as a Digilux2 thats interesting... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted December 13, 2006 Share #3 Posted December 13, 2006 An flash the size of a SF24D (also made by Metz - OEM'ed by Leica) with a tilt and swivel head would be a nice little gizmo. It has the electronics, it just needs the tilt and swivel feature. - Carl Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted December 13, 2006 Share #4 Posted December 13, 2006 I use a 54mz-4i with the sca3502 on my M8 and it works very well in GNC mode. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blado Posted December 13, 2006 Share #5 Posted December 13, 2006 I wondered if the mecablitz 28 AF-3 digital would work with the M8; I emailed but never heard back. It's very small and a little more powerful (I think) than the Leica one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted December 13, 2006 Share #6 Posted December 13, 2006 What I want for the M8 is a small flash like the Contax TLA 200. It is 2 1/2" x 2" x 2". But I have not been able to find anything even close. The Metz 44 is 3" x 4.9" x 4.3". The Leica SF 24 is 2.6" x 4.3" x 1.6" And the Leica M8 is 3.2" x 5.5"x 1.5" Jeez , some of the flash units are almost bigger than the camera. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted December 13, 2006 Share #7 Posted December 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jeez , some of the flash units are almost bigger than the camera. Mark This has always been my dilemma with flash and the M-series. I like the size of SF-24 but it's not quite as versitile as I would like. Anything else (even some of the smaller Metz units) look like and feel like you've got an unbalanced erector set on top of the camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted December 13, 2006 Share #8 Posted December 13, 2006 What I want for the M8 is a small flash like the Contax TLA 200. It is 2 1/2" x 2" x 2". But I have not been able to find anything even close. The Metz 44 is 3" x 4.9" x 4.3". The Leica SF 24 is 2.6" x 4.3" x 1.6" And the Leica M8 is 3.2" x 5.5"x 1.5" Jeez , some of the flash units are almost bigger than the camera. Mark Unfortunately, with flash units if you want power you have to accept bigger sizes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2006 Share #9 Posted December 13, 2006 I use a 54mz-4i with the sca3502 on my M8 and it works very well in GNC mode. Okay Tim whats your secret. I have the I model just checked that and have the 3502 M4 module and have it on GNC mode I think. It won't fire at all on TTL Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2006 Share #10 Posted December 13, 2006 Okay got it , need to be on manual mode and move the dial. Looks like it is working. Finally i got it working correctly Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted December 13, 2006 Share #11 Posted December 13, 2006 Okay Tim whats your secret. I have the I model just checked that and have the 3502 M4 module and have it on GNC mode I think. It won't fire at all on TTL I don't know if it makes a difference but I have the M5 module. I just bought the flash and at first it would only work in the auto mode. I then looked at the M8 manual and it said to put it in GNC mode which I did. I don't have it with me to look at the exact settings but everything seems to work fine in the testing I have done. It prefires to get a reading etc. I even used it with a bounce attachement with the small fll flash turned on and all the exposures looked good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhoelscher Posted December 13, 2006 Share #12 Posted December 13, 2006 ... need to be on manual mode and move the dial. ... Guy, Manual mode, because the camera can't communicate the aperture to the flash??? Thanks, DH Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted December 13, 2006 Share #13 Posted December 13, 2006 digilux 2 were M4 module if that helps.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2006 Share #14 Posted December 13, 2006 Yes i have it working fine now. Now i need a second flash for the other body i have the SF 24 but want a small one to bounce with. i can deal with A mode only there. Any thoughts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share #15 Posted December 13, 2006 I should also have added to my first post that with any non-Leica or non-Metz flash I will always use a WEIN Safe Synch gizmo between the flash and the camera to avoid potentially frying the M8's electornics. Duh... -g Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapfile Posted December 13, 2006 Share #16 Posted December 13, 2006 Some comments on the Digilux 2, and Metz statement that the M8 is 'a lot like the D2'. If true, then the following is my experience with the 54MZ3 and 3502v4 using the D2. Set the Metz to Auto and fire away. The camera sends the ISO setting to the Metz electronically, along with the focal length setting on the D2s zoom. (It may also be on the M8 , when using coded lenses, that focal length is also communicated to the Metz. Don't know that to be the case however,) Press the shutter and the results are great. Both Leica and Metz say there is no true TTL w/digital, as there is no 'film' to read off of. On the M8 however, perhaps it uses the shutter blade to meter off of, as it does with available light. Jerry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted December 13, 2006 Share #17 Posted December 13, 2006 Jerry, Thats an interesting comment. I've allways set mine to TTL/GNC when using it with the D2. Setting it to "A" removes the preflash. Must try this with both my 44MZ-2 and the SF24. - Carl Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapfile Posted December 14, 2006 Share #18 Posted December 14, 2006 Carl, There was an interesting discussion on the general subject of flash on the D2 some months back on the forum that you may wish to take a look at. Think it went under the heading "D2 with Nikon SB28?" flash. On the subject of the Metz capabilities when used on the D2, when I got my 3502v3 back after being upgraded to a v4, they included a sheet detailing use on various cameras. It indicated the TTL function was not available when used on the D2, and to use AUTO instead. Likewise the SF24d (made by Metz also), instructions also indicated to use it at AUTO on the D2. That prompted a call to Leica NJ where I got a detailed summary on why (essentially digital has no true TTL). Both the 54 and the SF24d work great using the TTL setting on my M7, and on AUTO with the D2. While the 24 is handy and pocketable, the 54 will really reach out distance wise. I doubt if I'll ever be buying another flash. Best, Jerry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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