pgk Posted February 5, 2010 Share #101 Posted February 5, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you search the web you will find out that the M8 is not alone in that there are other. equally expensive cameras which have had shutter failure at low actuations. The 'shriking' baby syndrome applies here though - those who post on the web when their M8 shutters have failed do so noisily and quite possibly in more than one place, which is perfectly understandable because they are annoyed. The problem is determining whether the 'noise' is actually representative of a real problem or of an over-emphasised few problems - I do not know the answer but attempting to force Leica into an admission and free repair on the back of web 'noise' is not a tenable situation. I wouldn't want to pay out 700 Euros either but then I wouldn't want to have to shell out for replacement shutters in my Canons either - none of this is cheap. Look on the bright side - a repaired Leica looks like holding a reasonable value, my 1DS which is still in excellent condition is worth vastly less than when I bought it. Leica digital M depreciation so far seems much lower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bill Posted February 5, 2010 Share #102 Posted February 5, 2010 I see. There are two camps here... one's that believe that this topic comes up too frequently around the web (not just this site) so it must be a defect and other's that believe that it is an issue due to misuse. I'm pessimistic by nature, so I tend to believe the former. I'm pragmatic by nature so I assume the latter until proven otherwise. "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem." Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted February 5, 2010 Share #103 Posted February 5, 2010 Leica M8 shutter fault - Google Search Well, I think this search could help agnostics, some "mauvaise foi" guys here, or even a Court there's a latent default with the M8 shutter. A shutter had to be also replaced in one of my cameras. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 5, 2010 Share #104 Posted February 5, 2010 I see. There are two camps here... one's that believe that this topic comes up too frequently around the web (not just this site) I think that you'll find that quite often it's the same person posting the same problem to multiple sites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 5, 2010 Share #105 Posted February 5, 2010 Leica M8 shutter fault - Google Search Well, I think this search could help agnostics, some "mauvaise foi" guys here, or even a Court there's a latent default with the M8 shutter. A shutter had to be also replaced in one of my cameras. Cheers Statistics are such awkward things... Let's level the playing field, thus: Results 1 - 10 of about 937,000 for Leica shutter fault. (0.32 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 3,980,000 for Nikon shutter fault. (0.14 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 118,000 for Canon shutter fault. (0.49 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 18,100,000 for Pentax shutter fault. (0.68 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,420,000 for Olympus shutter fault. (0.34 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 83,600 for Sony shutter fault. (0.32 seconds) Sorry, but your "proof" is lying in 40 fathoms of deep water with a very large hole in it. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted February 5, 2010 Share #106 Posted February 5, 2010 Statistics are such awkward things... Let's level the playing field, thus: Results 1 - 10 of about 937,000 for Leica shutter fault. (0.32 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 3,980,000 for Nikon shutter fault. (0.14 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 118,000 for Canon shutter fault. (0.49 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 18,100,000 for Pentax shutter fault. (0.68 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,420,000 for Olympus shutter fault. (0.34 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 83,600 for Sony shutter fault. (0.32 seconds) Sorry, but your "proof" is lying in 40 fathoms of deep water with a very large hole in it. Regards, Bill Well, considering the number of cameras sold by Nikon, Canon, Sony, Olympus, Pentax over the World... 937,000 it a very high figure for a company which has sold about 20000 being really optimistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 5, 2010 Share #107 Posted February 5, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Makes sense Bill, but doesn't Leica sell way fewer cameras (and offers way fewer models) than the rest of these companies? Additionally, it seems to more of an issue with the M8 than any other Leica M from what I can see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 5, 2010 Share #108 Posted February 5, 2010 The Google searches mentioned prove nothing since they'll return any page with the entered words on them even if they're not connected in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 5, 2010 Share #109 Posted February 5, 2010 You two really don't get it, do you? Try this: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,350,000 for Disney shutter fault. (0.33 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 337,000 for Muppet shutter fault. (0.52 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 5,350 for Bugs Bunny shutter fault. (0.28 seconds) ...if you are going to use statistics to support your argument, make them representative, repeatable, relevant and of course realistic, eh? Edit: Thanks, Steve - glad someone is paying attention. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted February 5, 2010 Share #110 Posted February 5, 2010 Bill, for sure, your M8/M9 won't have a shutter fault. :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 5, 2010 Share #111 Posted February 5, 2010 Bill, for sure, your M8/M9 won't have a shutter fault I know quite a number of people with M8s and as far as I'm aware none of them has had a shutter problem. That doesn't prove a thing of course since it's only anecdotal evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted February 5, 2010 Share #112 Posted February 5, 2010 You two really don't get it, do you? Try this: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,350,000 for Disney shutter fault. (0.33 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 337,000 for Muppet shutter fault. (0.52 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 5,350 for Bugs Bunny shutter fault. (0.28 seconds) ...if you are going to use statistics to support your argument, make them representative, repeatable, relevant and of course realistic, eh? Edit: Thanks, Steve - glad someone is paying attention. Regards, Bill Thanks a lot for your evidence of internet-statistic faults! Though I am sure that we'll see some non-agnostics who will proof that there are many more Disneys, Muppets and Bugs Bunnies who use an M8 - with shutter-fault - than any other camera on the market. I Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 5, 2010 Share #113 Posted February 5, 2010 ...if you are going to use statistics to support your argument, make them representative, repeatable, relevant and of course realistic, eh? While a search engine is not a perfect way to come up with statistics...the M8 threads are real threads about a camera that has had shutter problems... the Disney shutter problem does not exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted February 5, 2010 Share #114 Posted February 5, 2010 While a search engine is not a perfect way to come up with statistics...the M8 threads are real threads about a camera that has had shutter problems... the Disney shutter problem does not exist. O.K. When I start a thread about Disney, Muppet and Bugs Bunny and their M8 shutter-faults this is a proof that it exists. Your logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 5, 2010 Share #115 Posted February 5, 2010 UliWer, this is some use of the word "logic" with which I am not familiar... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 5, 2010 Share #116 Posted February 5, 2010 For the curious try this: Camera Shutter Life Database Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 5, 2010 Share #117 Posted February 5, 2010 For the curious try this: Camera Shutter Life Database Not only self selecting, but also a very small sample - the data for the Canon 5D Mk II is based on 39 responses, that for the original 5D 74. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhotoWebb.co.uk Posted February 5, 2010 Share #118 Posted February 5, 2010 I think we've gone off topic here. I'll let you all know when I hear from Leica. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted February 5, 2010 Share #119 Posted February 5, 2010 5,560 for fairy god mother shutter fault the M8 shutter is perfectly reliable as far as I can see, and I guess that this is the way the legal system will see this. Whether the OP wants to take this to court or not is a completely different question. It appears that he is not intending to so I think that we should start to cool down and do something more useful. I hope that Leica will repair free of charge even though they have no obvious obligation to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 5, 2010 Share #120 Posted February 5, 2010 What I can't understand is why the original poster is discussing the problem with Leica, when he should be talking to the dealer who sold him the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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