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Yosemite M8 trip

robsteve

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I respect your questioning, but there is nothing that can be said here. You have Leica and Canon already, and no one can "prove" that one is better because neither is better in any ultimate sense; it can be better only for a given use.

 

If you haven't already, check out the thread http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9022-30-x-40-inch-m8-prints.html for another person's viewpoint--and if you don't know who David Adamson is, check him out before you start questioning his credentials. Just read the thread--a lot of people began by disbelieving but gradually changed their minds.

 

To my knowledge, everyone reviewing the camera seems to think it is a breakthrough in many ways. Check out Erwin Puts' reviews of the M8's performance. Check Reid Reviews, and see the M8 articles at Luminous Landscape.

 

I respect the fact that you raise questions despite the fact that you are not comfortable in English; you seem sometimes a bit negative, but much less so than some others here who have a better command of English.

 

You seem to be honestly struggling with the issue of whether to buy an M8. As long as you are not sure, don't do it. If one morning you wake up and say, "This is the day for an M8," that's the day to do it; but not before.

 

Respectfully,

--HC

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Here is a picture that was on my SD card but I didn't take. Rob Martin, a Fred Miranda forum member ran into Mike Hatam and I on the Yosemite Valley floor. He and his girlfriend joined us for lunch at the hotel. Rob snapped this of his girlfriend using the 24mm ASPH, f2,8 and 1/30th of a second. Looks like he caught on to rangefinder focusing quite fast.

 

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That shot is just all around beautiful!!!

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Sean, I have a 50 Summilux pre-ASPH. Do you think it is worth the money to upgrade to the ASPH?

Since Sean has answered, I'll butt in as well: He is right that if the lens works for you, there's no need to upgrade.

 

Nonetheless: There were two 50 Summiluxes before the current model. I have and like the oldest of the three and am not rushing to get the newest one. For an optical designer, the second lens was a step forward from the first, and the current one is a giant leap forward. That doesn't mean that will be the case for your photography, of course.

 

If you're into things semi-technical, see Erwin Puts has a brochure (though I can't find the English-language version at the moment) that he did for Leica, "Leica M-Objektive - Ihre Seele & Geheimnisse_de.pdf," in which he runs through the differences between the current and the preceding model. Also at his website (again I can't find the article at the moment), he has a review of the current aspheric version. And you may also be interested in Puts' "Leica Lens Compendium," which gives a great insight into how the lenses have changed, also available at his website, http://www.imx.nl/.

 

Again, new designs aren't necessarily better for your photography.

 

Hope this might help!

 

--HC

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Jack, Guy, Robert--

This has been a great thread! Wonderful pictures, cameraderie, contemplation. We got to see you cook and eat and drink. We got to see you cover your dalliance by claiming, "Well, actually, she was with my friend...." :)

 

Thanks for the updates and the tremendous enthusiasm!

 

And thanks to all the posters for their enlightenment, chiding, questioning, reminding. A good exchange of images is always better with a good exchange of opinion.

 

--HC

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And wait till you get to a real monitor before you decide whether you're "pale" or not, man! :)

 

 

Okay, finally got to look at your magic on my CM displays -- you are right Jamie, that's pretty much my skin tone -- and aside from the goofy expression Robert caught me with, I look pretty darn good! :cool:

 

However, the pimento in my martini olive looks like it was pickled in formaldahyde and not vermouth! LOLOLOLOL!

 

Jack

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Thanks Howard for me it was fun. being the one pro there i work at this everyday , so my drive to run out everyday and create images was let's just say not my normal mode. i wanted to enjoy the company and relax and help when I can. But having the company and my new toy was fun for me and as we all know work can be a drag and this was one reason I bought the M8 on a personal level. I do NOT run around with a camera and take snaps of my kids or a social party or a day in the park kind of stuff. the reason is it is always a roller bag full of gear. Not my idea of a fun day . But the M8 gives me some of the joy back on the personal level becuase it is not a burden to me. The other reason is if i am going to shot on a personal level i am never satistfied with the quality because nothing out there in a small package can produce like my DMR, so it is always a let down. Now the M8 creates a fun personal level camera for me to enjoy myself and still come home with the bacon as far as image. this is my new found toy for me. never been able to do that so i never bothered.

 

Now from a profesional level i have something that equals or exceeds my DMR and this just gives me more tools to work with

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Thanks Heidi from my prespective i think this is the perfect hobbyist camera, i really do. It may not have all the bells and whistles and such but it is simple and makes you work a little and you learn more and i still think manual focus makes you think or concentrate better but that is a whole different thread and many may argue that.

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Holy smokes this thread has almost 15,000 views . Id feel embrassed my ugly mug has been shown this much . need some plastic young man surgery. Any Docs out there wanna trade for some plastic work on my mug for a summilux. LOL

 

just kidding

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I reinforce the sentiments expressed by others on this thread that you've all given us a rare treat by keeping the information flowing and the tone humorous and interesting. A sort of fishing trip with cameras but no fish and no boat. My heartfelt thanks to you all.

 

Guy, didn't you notice all 15,000 of us figuratively peering over your shoulder while you were lining up shots? :D

 

Pete.

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I reinforce the sentiments expressed by others on this thread that you've all given us a rare treat by keeping the information flowing and the tone humorous and interesting. A sort of fishing trip with cameras but no fish and no boat. My heartfelt thanks to you all.

 

Guy, didn't you notice all 15,000 of us figuratively peering over your shoulder while you were lining up shots? :D

 

Pete.

 

Guess i am good under pressure. Wish you all did not breath on my though got a little cold. ROTFLMAO

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Since Sean has answered, I'll butt in as well: He is right that if the lens works for you, there's no need to upgrade.

 

Nonetheless: There were two 50 Summiluxes before the current model. I have and like the oldest of the three and am not rushing to get the newest one. For an optical designer, the second lens was a step forward from the first, and the current one is a giant leap forward. That doesn't mean that will be the case for your photography, of course.

 

If you're into things semi-technical, see Erwin Puts has a brochure (though I can't find the English-language version at the moment) that he did for Leica, "Leica M-Objektive - Ihre Seele & Geheimnisse_de.pdf," in which he runs through the differences between the current and the preceding model. Also at his website (again I can't find the article at the moment), he has a review of the current aspheric version. And you may also be interested in Puts' "Leica Lens Compendium," which gives a great insight into how the lenses have changed, also available at his website, http://www.imx.nl/.

 

Here is the 50 Lux Asph article:

 

http://www.imx.nl/photosite/leica/mseries/SummiluxASPH/s14-50.html

 

Here is the 50 Lux (fast 50) comparison article:

 

http://www.imx.nl/photosite/technical/highspeedlenses/t003.html

 

Here is a link to his Leica Lens Compendium PDF. I think only the .doc has the updates. The book is dry, but there is good information in it.

 

http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/paypal.html

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Here is the 50 Lux Asph article:

http://www.imx.nl/photosite/leica/mseries/SummiluxASPH/s14-50.html

 

Here is the 50 Lux (fast 50) comparison article:

http://www.imx.nl/photosite/technical/highspeedlenses/t003.html

 

Here is a link to his Leica Lens Compendium PDF. I think only the .doc has the updates. The book is dry, but there is good information in it.

http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/paypal.html

Thanks, Carsten. Some of these I've looked at in just the last few days, but when I went to find them again, I couldn't turn them up. An occasional miss doesn't bother me, but 3 misses in 3 tries has me worried. ;)

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Okay, finally got to look at your magic on my CM displays -- you are right Jamie, that's pretty much my skin tone -- and aside from the goofy expression Robert caught me with, I look pretty darn good! :cool:

 

However, the pimento in my martini olive looks like it was pickled in formaldahyde and not vermouth! LOLOLOLOL!

 

Jack

 

 

Jack---the olives never paid my bills! ;)

 

Seriously, though, thanks again to all you guys for posting... wonderful images and a real vicarious thrill to see Yosemite (and Guy's steak... I think we need to hear more about that recipe, actually)!

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